Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

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Your link actually supports itself. 👍 Thank you for posting it.

Here's another from the same era https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2019/09/23/energy-subsidies-renewables-fossil-fuels/
which indicates that subsidies to fossil fuels in the US are a drop in the bucket compared to that of renewables.
 
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I think that NOW is the time that we ought to be ditching marketing hype and be honest with ourselves. This has nothing to do with EVs. We have to, unless someone can PROVE how we can have infinite growth, come to grips with the underlying driver that our growth model is starting to crumble. I do not believe that a "solution" is going to come from individual companies producing various widgets. I also don't believe that an actual "solution" is going to be coming from govt body: especially not in the context of our current govt+big business model that has cemented itself (neo-liberal economics). I cannot, and will not, dictate any "solution."

Our problem really isn't about fossil fuel usage. It's not about transportation. They are parts of the problem: perpetual growth IS the problem.

Economies of scale are going to present a lot of strain as this equation works in reverse: no one ever asked if economies of scale could ever go negative. As we back away from fossil fuels we'll experience substantial "costs" due to drastic reductions in economies of scale: fossil fuel extraction provides for a LOT more than just fuel. We have to understand this, and brace ourselves (not concoct conspiracy theories and such) for the inevitable consequence. I'll conclude with a statement that "leaders" MUST demonstrate actual leadership, they have to SET THE EXAMPLE: how credible can a "leader" be telling others to conserve when blasting themselves into space?
 
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... how credible can a "leader" be telling others to conserve when blasting themselves into space?
Not to worry..... the billboards going up there will drive the growth !

JK, :cool:.

Meaningful leadership ? The last time this requirement was of this scale, was WWII, IMO.

Meaningful Industrial Policy requires long-term vision, and decades of high-level, high-quality leadership. Hard Work, indeed....

A "leader" can make short-term personal gains bypassing the above ^, but there are always consequences....

Shut Down Oil. Flip everyone over to All-Electric. The average citizen has no clue what the technical and economic implications of doing either are. let alone both simultaneously....

Rgds, D.
 
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I think that NOW is the time that we ought to be ditching marketing hype and be honest with ourselves. This has nothing to do with EVs. We have to, unless someone can PROVE how we can have infinite growth, come to grips with the underlying driver that our growth model is starting to crumble. I do not believe that a "solution" is going to come from individual companies producing various widgets. I also don't believe that an actual "solution" is going to be coming from govt body: especially not in the context of our current govt+big business model that has cemented itself (neo-liberal economics). I cannot, and will not, dictate any "solution."

Our problem really isn't about fossil fuel usage. It's not about transportation. They are parts of the problem: perpetual growth IS the problem.

Economies of scale are going to present a lot of strain as this equation works in reverse: no one ever asked if economies of scale could ever go negative. As we back away from fossil fuels we'll experience substantial "costs" due to drastic reductions in economies of scale: fossil fuel extraction provides for a LOT more than just fuel. We have to understand this, and brace ourselves (not concoct conspiracy theories and such) for the inevitable consequence. I'll conclude with a statement that "leaders" MUST demonstrate actual leadership, they have to SET THE EXAMPLE: how credible can a "leader" be telling others to conserve when blasting themselves into space?
Are you still going to buy into your narrative after you push crude over two hundred dollars then beyond?

The babyboomers have been giving and giving but now we're taking and taking so now we are short on everything except yak.
 
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Are you still going to buy into your narrative after you push crude over two hundred dollars then beyond?

The babyboomers have been giving and giving but now we're taking and taking so now we are short on everything except yak.
Yet his comment addresses the elephant in the room. We can switch fuel sources and/or do a myriad of other “feel good” attempts but nobody will admit the real cause; a growing population is putting more and more strain on finite resources.
 
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Yet his comment addresses the elephant in the room. We can switch fuel sources and/or do a myriad of other “feel good” attempts but nobody will admit the real cause; a growing population is putting more and more strain on finite resources.
People living longer and global population is growing rapidly. Even China has abandoned their one baby policy (which had been in effect for at least 20 years).
No good solution for this...but I expect Nature will take it's course
 
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People living longer and global population is growing rapidly. Even China has abandoned their one baby policy (which had been in effect for at least 20 years).
No good solution for this...but I expect Nature will take it's course
Unfortunately you are right... and we are starting to see that adjustment.
 
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A Simple Piece of Steel and Wheels Is Holding Up the Global Supply Chain

Hopefully we can find some steel and wheels and get the parts, etc moving again. Sounds like we went on a buy spree last year and gummed up the supply chain.

At least we know the weak link now.

Parts and tire shortages are hitting local farmers hard. With most EV batteries coming out of China this shipping mess is negative for USA EV production and solar panel imports.
 
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