Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Fuddy1952]

The way to go from 2 lanes to one and not have to slow down is to double the speed as you downsize lanes. A computer knows this

Not sure I understand the joke. Two lanes, one northbound one southbound. No passing, double yellow center marking lines.
One also two lane road T intersecting on right as we were going south at 55 mph.
Bus ran that stop sign exactly as I got to it.
And the computer is going to do...what?!?

 

[4570Man]

Well, I beg to differ.
Everyone here has had the experience of a computer crash or experienced an electronic failure. Imagine relying on THAT driving a bus, truck or car. And yes, I know people drive drunk, have heart attacks or strokes while driving...still hard to beat the creative brain though. As I say, I committed two traffic violations yet here to tell the story, one of several instances.

Humans are bad drivers. I would bet on a computer having a higher success rate.

 

[goeduck]

I have been driving for a long, long time. Zero accidents. Can't beat that. That said, there are a lot of people that need to be driven or should not be driving and a self driver would make sense for them.

 

[3930dave]

Bus ran that stop sign exactly as I got to it.
And the computer is going to do...what?!?

In this thread, or another, I told the account of a HS buddy of mine driving the main highway in farm country west of Toronto late at night, and just about rolling his 70's full-size Chev avoiding what looked like a vertical wall in his lane.... driving on Low Beams with a seized foot-stomper dimmer switch.

Turned out, it was just a shipping box for a major appliance, that was lying flat on the road and the wind lifted it up vertical just before his ancient sealed Low beams lit it up. Could have easily been a x,000 # wooden shipping crate, that had fallen off a truck though. I remember a C&D article talking about the many thousands (back when $1k was big money) it took to fix the front end of a new Benz they were driving..... rounded a curve on an LA freeway and slammed into a full size (wood cabinet) console TV.

This ^ is the flip-side of Teslas slamming into parked fire-trucks etc....

Do the "Wrong" Thing, For the Right Reason.

If I waived a magic wand, and put today's automatic Stability systems on my buddy's 70 Chev, would he still have been allowed to make that swerve - probably not.

Same in aero - beyond a certain degree, maneuvers in commercial aircraft today are automatically limited, regardless of what you are about to slam into.....

Train and enforce better operators, OR just throw more tech band-aids over the problem. Society seems to drift towards catering to the lowest denominator in this decision-tree....

If I could waive that Magic Wand, one more time.... I know which way I'd direct that ^ drift......

Rgds, D.

 

[3930dave]

That said, there are a lot of people that need to be driven or should not be driving and a self driver would make sense for them.

Young people that never should have a license.

An ageing population that have diminished driving skills. There is value to society getting self-driving platforms near-perfect.

Business will also use these same platforms, to displace labour.

Rgds, D.

 

[Fixastuff]

Not sure I understand the joke. Two lanes, one northbound one southbound. No passing, double yellow center marking lines.
One also two lane road T intersecting on right as we were going south at 55 mph.
Bus ran that stop sign exactly as I got to it.
And the computer is going to do...what?!?

I don't have a clue. I personally think for a computer cars/truck/buss system to work ALL of them will have to be computerized and talking to each other.

I also think most human drivers are so bad it wouldn't be hard to computers to do better, but it will be hard for them to be perfect.

The post you're quoting me in had nothing to do with you. I'm talking about a 4 Lane highway that is full of traffic, if one side narrows from 2 lanes to one, the way to not cause a delay is to go from 55mph to 110mph as the cars merge.....

 

[PuffyC]

I don't have a clue. I personally think for a computer cars/truck/buss system to work ALL of them will have to be computerized and talking to each other.

There’s a lot of talk about that but it’s kind of a chicken/egg thing. In some ways it’ll mean the first will need to be better than those coming later.

I also think most human drivers are so bad it wouldn't be hard to computers to do better, but it will be hard for them to be perfect.

That’s the rub - we demand perfect solutions. We’re A-OK killing a couple hundred thousand with people driven cars, but put a computer in charge and even half those many deaths will be pronounced a failure and a crisis. Humans, as it turns out, are driven far more by emotion and far less by logic then they‘ll ever be willing to admit.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/...ts-public-debut-this-is-its-story-172938.html

Early ICE history.

 

[RoyJackson]

There’s a lot of talk about that but it’s kind of a chicken/egg thing. In some ways it’ll mean the first will need to be better than those coming later.



That’s the rub - we demand perfect solutions. We’re A-OK killing a couple hundred thousand with people driven cars, but put a computer in charge and even half those many deaths will be pronounced a failure and a crisis. Humans, as it turns out, are driven far more by emotion and far less by logic then they‘ll ever be willing to admit.

And, what is ultimately developed, it has to be 100% hack proof!

 

[Fuddy1952]

Lots of people have Alexa in their home. An 85 yo widow friend of ours has one so she's not home "alone"(?).
I can see it now, a passenger in a self driving car right before impact...Alexa's voice "hold on, it'll all be over soon".

 

[Larry Caldwell]

I have been driving for a long, long time. Zero accidents. Can't beat that. That said, there are a lot of people that need to be driven or should not be driving and a self driver would make sense for them.

Human drivers kill 30,000 people a year. That's not a high bar to clear.

 

[Jstpssng]

Well, I beg to differ.
Everyone here has had the experience of a computer crash or experienced an electronic failure. Imagine relying on THAT driving a bus, truck or car. And yes, I know people drive drunk, have heart attacks or strokes while driving...still hard to beat the creative brain though. As I say, I committed two traffic violations yet here to tell the story, one of several instances.

This is one reason that Tesla is able to keep pumping out cars while traditional manufacturers are on hold; they put a lot less faith in replacing dependable chips with "New and maybe improved"

 

[Jstpssng]

This is the key from that article:

”Asked how this can be turned around, Steiner told CNBC: “Well, many economists essentially agree that if you were to introduce a carbon price that reflects the true cost of using that fossil fuel in our economies today, you would actually very quickly create a market whereby producers but also consumers of fossil fuels, would actually move out of this sector.”

Been saying it for years - you make consumers pay the real price for gas, as in the total of what it costs to obtain that barrel of oil all the way thru to the environment costs, and this is a problem that solves itself. We’ve intentionally undermined the free market, making people think gasoline is affordable and effective when it very much isn’t, then get outraged when we’re finally forced to subsidize better alternatives. It’s all according to plan though, it’s just a plan put together by oil companies wanting to get rich and politicians wanting to avoid hard choices so they can get re-elected. But as we’re seeing, there’s no free lunch and at some point the ponzi scheme implodes on itself.

It would be interesting to see just what these subsidies are, rather than just stating they exist. I believe that much of it is coal, used to generate electricity for many things... including to power Teslas.

 

[Jstpssng]

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[California]

As for that school bus running its stop sign - Any sort of driver-assist software in a school bus would have made that near impossible.

 

[Cat385B]

Canoo signed a contract with Panasonic to supply their batteries. Then I read this from Car and Driver:

‘Canoo said they chose the Panasonic batteries—which will not be the Tesla-specific 4680 format—for their proven reliability.’

Those kids at Tesla need to learn that sharing is caring. I want those honkin’ 4680’s in my Canoo truck. That would alleviate any range anxiety I would have.

 

[DieselBound]

MSN

www.msn.com

Biomass is a disaster. It pretty much goes along well with this entire thread: mostly marketing hype.

 

[Citydude]

MSN

www.msn.com

How stupid is this? I'll answer that, it's really stupid.

 

[3930dave]

Those kids at Tesla need to learn that sharing is caring.

Valley 101 - the only point in controlling superior technology is to implement a scorched-earth policy re. your competition.

Rgds, D.

 

[3930dave]

Buddy sent me this one.... thought I'd share. 1200 mi TX roadtrip, Mach E. (if this is a dup. let me know.....).

N.B. - (I) didn't realize that certain charge networks were Time based like that...... clearing not counting coulombs, which I found surprising technically, but business-wise less so.

Rgds, D.