Another confused first timer

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

Cahaba, How many tractors do you own and what brands.

Well as stated in my profile I currently own a late 60's Ford 3000. Before that we had a Long 360 which was a great tractor and now I am shopping for a new tractor. Think I have pretty much decided on what I want.

 

[K5lwq]

But that comes at the expense of efficiency correct?

A small percentage perhaps. But the reliability of direct injection is far more important to me.

 

[ptsg]

A small percentage perhaps. But the reliability of direct injection is far more important to me.

Plus the owner can actually work on his tractor without being dependent on dealers with proprietary diagnostic software.

 

[LouNY]

I prefer to run tractors built with the electronic common rail that were built pre tier4.
On the farm the IH PUMA 125 is the same size as the NH 6050 and the same basic engine,
the PUMA is common rail the 6050 is mechanical.
The PUMA starts nicer when it's cold the NH stumbles a bit at the same temps.
The PUMA holds it's power longer and deeper into the power band.
It also responds faster when the load is increased.
They are both good tractors, we have had some more wiring issues with the PUMA.
Neither have DEF pr DPF's. The PUMA sounds and seems like a smoother running engine.
Which one do I think will last longer, I believe the NH will as push comes to shove as it will run
with less electrical interface.
Also as ptsg has mention when you go back to less fancied up drivedrains they are much easier to work on.

 

[Hoodoo]

I am sure learning a lot from this thread! Thanks for sharing...

 

[murphy1244]

Well as stated in my profile I currently own a late 60's Ford 3000. Before that we had a Long 360 which was a great tractor and now I am shopping for a new tractor. Think I have pretty much decided on what I want.

Then how can you Form your negative opinions other Brands and dealers? I am not saying you have to own 1 of every brand but your bad mouthing tractors and dealers who sell other than deere or kubota and your knowledge comes from owning a 60s tractor.

 

[rScotty]

Old houses can certainly be worth more than new ones...neighborhood improves, some old houses are better built, antique value, Etc...but they aren't tractors. I am just simply not going to pay nearly as much for a used tractor when I can get a brand spankin' new one for just a hair more...

Just my opinion, I'm new to tractors.....

There's always a bit of unknown with "brand spankin' new" anything.

Advertisers put a lot of effort into shaping our financial and social opinions. Obviously they want us believing that new, complex, and expensive things are to be preferred.

But predicting the mechanical reliability of a machine is different. With machinery we can also look at resale values of older models to help evaluate the reliability - or not - of earlier models.

 

[kenmac]

Prices can be confirmed with phone calls. Dealers in other regions can and do post pricing for same models of equipment.

Sure beats the old days of calling Information in a far away city and asking, "Hey, Y'all got any tractor dealers in your town?"

And I was around long before AlGore invented the internet.

Guess it depends on the brand tractors. Many tractor manufactures won't their dealers to post prices on the net.
You've always been able to call and ask prices though

 

[kenmac]

Kenmac - I have seen a few of the newer tractors that advertise they have none of the new emissions stuff on them. (A Branson specifically) Am I reading that wrong or can you still get these kind of tractors new nowadays?

All new diesels 25 hp ? and under, Must meet tier 4 emissions. Doesn't matter if it's a diesel lawnmower, etc

 

[kenmac]

I agree which is why I suggest every tractor buyer go and demo the equipment they are interested in before purchasing it.

Going to demo a tractor and experience with them, are not one and the same

 

[kenmac]

But that comes at the expense of efficiency correct?

efficiency ? Any tractor that uses an ECM to instruct the tractor to regen isn't what I would call efficient

 

[kenmac]

When I bought my large tractor. The dealer, and I were discussing the emissions on todays tractors. He said , ''if any tractor dealer tells you they aren't having issues with emissions on their tractors, they're lying to you''.

Someone mentioned all the info you can research on the net these days.
When you find your dream tractor. Research that tractor and see how many issues it's had with emissions.
If your dream tractor has more emissions problems than others you have researched, pass up on that dream tractor because it will stay in the dealer's shop more than in your shop.

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

Then how can you Form your negative opinions other Brands and dealers?

By doing research, listening to what former and current owners of those brands are saying and from my own personal experience with those brands and dealers. However, if you have a different opinion about the brands and dealers you think I am bad mouthing I welcome you to share it.

I am not saying you have to own 1 of every brand but your bad mouthing tractors and dealers who sell other than deere or kubota

You apparently have not read all my posts because if you did you would find equal scrutiny and criticism given to Deere and Kubota.

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

Going to demo a tractor and experience with them, are not one and the same

Depends on the kind of demo you get.

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

efficiency ? Any tractor that uses an ECM to instruct the tractor to regen isn't what I would call efficient

The level of control over the air and fuel mixture and the atomization of fuel in the combustion chamber so that it produces a cleaner burn can only really be achieved by the electronics that we have on the engines now. Mechanical injection could only take us so far.

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

''if any tractor dealer tells you they aren't having issues with emissions on their tractors, they're lying to you''.

What brand of tractor does he sell?

 

[murphy1244]

By doing research, listening to what former and current owners of those brands are saying and from my own personal experience with those brands and dealers. However, if you have a different opinion about the brands and dealers you think I am bad mouthing I welcome you to share it.

You apparently have not read all my posts because if you did you would find equal scrutiny and criticism given to Deere and Kubota.

If you don't see your comments about bad mouthing I can't help you. Yes I have read your posts and find them disingenuous at best.

 

[kenmac]

The level of control over the air and fuel mixture and the atomization of fuel in the combustion chamber so that it produces a cleaner burn can only really be achieved by the electronics that we have on the engines now. Mechanical injection could only take us so far.

you may have that control, but you can't have efficiency burning more fuel to achieve emission standards. It's a no brainer !

All one has to do is check mileage on newer diesel trucks vs older ones with common rail.

I guarantee my mx5100 gets better fuel usage, than one of equal size with regen, with common rail, and control over fuel / air mixture

 

[kenmac]

What brand of tractor does he sell?

one is a Kubota dealer, the other a McCormick dealer

 

[kenmac]

Depends on the kind of demo you get.

Going to demo a tractor and experience with them, are not one and the same

Let me know what dealer will let you take a tractor home, test it out bush hogging, plow the field, etc, before you buy it . Perhaps they're out there, but I haven't seen one willing to allow someone to do that yet.
You aren't going to be able to demo a tractor on the dealer lot the same as you would at the farm