Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[buckeyefarmer]

at 1 hour and 36 minutes, I am not going to watch it.

At the name Greenpeace I’m not going to watch it. They are nut jobs.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

At the name Greenpeace I’m not going to watch it. They are nut jobs.

It is actually an anti Greenpeace article.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

https://www.freep.com/story/money/c...-hybrid-could-start-something-big/5957194001/

Some have mentioned interest in the Maverick and now I see why. Based on looks and base price point it could be a hit.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

I see a couple of interacting vectors at play....

To attempt to have me on-topic (I do try Gale, once in a while ).... this is a bit similar to the EV mandated landslide coming, in that solutions/legislation that resonate or are primarily directed to urban needs can end up causing issues or collateral damage out in the boonies.

Remote areas can have inversion issues too..... my lousy memory (somebody on here may know) isn't coming up with the town name, but I'm thinking wood bans in valley areas of AK (?).

Being objective about it, I don't like choking on wood smoke - much of the problem is that many people today don't get how/can't be bothered to burn a clean fire. How to enforce UnCommon Sense... if I could figure that one out, I could probably rule the universe

Even 10 years from now, if somebody in northern Alberta wants a 1 ton p/u to haul a stock trailer 1000km in a day, what will the choices be ?

Affordability - many people here have been forced to scrap perfectly functioning old wood-burning appliances (via the insurance/modern certification beating). Not a concern if you can afford a Tesla - may be a big deal if you are senior with limited income.

Similar ^ scenario we've looped through multiple times - high cost new EV vs. old well-maintained used car that's never seen salted roads..... if you have Money, that choice disappearing doesn't matter much.....

Rgds, D.

My wood stove is an old Fisher fireplace insert that is pushing 50 years old. It's a great stove of the old airtight variety that was the first attempt at energy efficiency. A little attention to the draft and only burning bone dry wood results in no chimney smoke and no creosote buildup in the chimney.

State law says uncertified wood burners to be removed and destroyed when the property sells. That's not necessarily a bad thing. The new EPA certified stoves with a reburn chamber are great stoves, and better suited to those without a rural background. The only problem with the new stoves is that they don't have much of a cook top. There's plenty of room on the Fisher for a stew pot and big water kettle. We've never done it, but there's room for a copper boiler to heat bath water if necessary. The old couple who built the place were big on 19th century technology, and I have continued the tradition. It stuck out too far in front of the fireplace to be safe, and stray coals melted the carpet more than once, so I replaced the floor with tile on cement board.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

Ottawa had a lot of -40ish nights back then.... A friend had an Oldsmobile that somehow still managed to start, after the top layer of the battery froze enough to push out the battery caps.....

Ironically, EVs have an easier role to fill today, thanks to milder Winters.

Rgds, D.

Don't count on mild winters. Antarctica just had the coldest winter on record, thanks to an intense polar vortex. Pumping all that heat into the atmosphere has expanded it, and the top layers get really cold before they dive back to the surface. Ottowa could easily see -50 (C or F) with 40 mph winds blowing for a week. All it would take is a wobble in the jet stream.

Texans should be worried. They have had a year, and have done nothing to protect their grid.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

https://www.freep.com/story/money/c...-hybrid-could-start-something-big/5957194001/

Some have mentioned interest in the Maverick and now I see why. Based on looks and base price point it could be a hit.

I might be interested in a king cab model with a 6'+ bed. I have an 8 passenger mini van if I need to haul a basketball team.

 

[txdon]

Texans should be worried. They have had a year, and have done nothing to protect their grid.

This looks like something.

"FERC and the North American Electric Reliability Corp (NERC) released the recommendations that include revisions of mandatory reliability standards.
The revisions require power utilities to identify and protect cold-weather critical components, build new or retrofit existing units to operate at specific conditions based on extreme temperature and weather data, and develop corrective plans for those that suffer freeze-related outages."

Regulators issue standards to prevent another Texas grid freeze

U.S. and North American energy regulators on Thursday issued recommendations and mandatory electric reliability standards for utilities that they hope will prevent a repeat of February's deadly power outages in Texas during a deep freeze. The freeze left 4.5 million without power over several...

wolfdaily.com

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Don't count on mild winters. Antarctica just had the coldest winter on record, thanks to an intense polar vortex. Pumping all that heat into the atmosphere has expanded it, and the top layers get really cold before they dive back to the surface. Ottowa could easily see -50 (C or F) with 40 mph winds blowing for a week. All it would take is a wobble in the jet stream.

Texans should be worried. They have had a year, and have done nothing to protect their grid.

That may be the case for south of the equator but not the case north of the equator. I shared this article with the wife yesterday.

The jet stream has started an unprecedented shift north, which could wreak havoc on weather in the US and Europe

Research shows the northern hemisphere's jet stream is migrating toward the Arctic, which may cause more droughts in Europe and warming in the US.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Larry Caldwell]

This looks like something.

"FERC and the North American Electric Reliability Corp (NERC) released the recommendations that include revisions of mandatory reliability standards.
The revisions require power utilities to identify and protect cold-weather critical components, build new or retrofit existing units to operate at specific conditions based on extreme temperature and weather data, and develop corrective plans for those that suffer freeze-related outages."

Regulators issue standards to prevent another Texas grid freeze

U.S. and North American energy regulators on Thursday issued recommendations and mandatory electric reliability standards for utilities that they hope will prevent a repeat of February's deadly power outages in Texas during a deep freeze. The freeze left 4.5 million without power over several...

wolfdaily.com

Blowing smoke up your rectal orifice.

https://www.marketplace.org/2021/10/05/texas-power-grid-could-be-woefully-unprepared-for-coming-winter/

 

[txdon]

Blowing smoke . ..

Of course, where it's political there's a loophole.
It will probably take another good freeze this century.

Texas senators grill power grid regulator over loophole they wrote

The law says the state's natural gas system won't be required to prepare for extreme weather until 2022 at the earliest and allows companies to opt out of weatherization requirements.

www.texastribune.org

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Oregon, where you can’t burn firewood, but you can burn down your police stations.

 

[goeduck]

Oregon, where you can’t burn firewood, but you can burn down your police stations.

Yeah, what is up with that?

 

[lman]

Yeah, what is up with that?

Must be on the left coast.

 

[Hay Dude]

If I lived in a city I would seriously consider taking the bus. However, I don't see myself willingly living in the city.

Why not? There’s so much “culture“

Philadelphia police investigating after unruly crowd gathers outside City Hall

CAUGHT ON VIDEO: Police are investigating after an unruly crowd gathered outside City Hall in Philadelphia Saturday night.

6abc.com

 

[3930dave]

Might help explain better. Wood, burned properly has net zero carbon emissions, according to MSU. Wood is from our own woods and hauled with an electric farm cart and wagon.

Amen on the wood. On Father's side, they heated the farm, and made maple syrup with wood for over 100 years. Somehow they managed to do that w/o Certifications or Inspections and still had no chimney or building fires.

Had a chat with one of the mechanics at work today about wood gasifiers..... he came across somebody up north using one to drive a generator.

Wood fired EVs.... It Can Be Done .

Rgds, D.

 

[Jstpssng]

Amen on the wood. On Father's side, they heated the farm, and made maple syrup with wood for over 100 years. Somehow rolleyes they managed to do that w/o Certifications or Inspections and still had no chimney or building fires.

Had a chat with one of the mechanics at work today about wood gasifiers..... he came across somebody up north using one to drive a generator.

Wood fired EVs.... It Can Be Done .

Rgds, D.

Back to the future? Wood gas vehicles: firewood in the fuel tank

 

[3930dave]

Back to the future? Wood gas vehicles: firewood in the fuel tank

Miles per Cord..... we could probably build a fleet of these, before the auto industry gets chips to play with.....

Rgds, D.

 

[California]

This looks like something.

"FERC and the North American Electric Reliability Corp (NERC) released the recommendations that include revisions of mandatory reliability standards. ....

I read somewhere that the Feds wrote a similar recommendation to the Texas regulators a while back, before the recent freeze, and Texas replied that the federal government had no authority to impose its standards on Texas corporations. Nothing was done. Then the control systems for natural gas distribution failed due to cold.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

The audio alone tells why Tesla has no competition from current OEM brands for years to come. Recently they paid off the first phase of the China Giga factory loan. Production should be underway in new factories in Germany and Austin TX by the end of 2021. By the end of 2023 they could be debt free and have cash in hand to build a new Giga factory every yeard. A couple years later they should be able to cut < $75K vehicles price by $10K and > $75K vehicles by $20K when is they want to stop building new factories.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

Oregon, where you can’t burn firewood, but you can burn down your police stations.

I think that was Seattle. Seattle hasn't been in Oregon for 175 years.