Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[MossRoad]

They had electric vehicles over 100 years ago. Nothing new there.

When I was a kid, in the 60s and 70s, there was an older neighborhood full of Victorian houses. One of them was painted pink. Bright pink. It had a glass garage. Inside that garage, was an electric car from 1911. My dad pointed it out often.

Sadly, the house is no longer pink. Still there, though, and in great condition, but not pink and no car.

 

[sd455dan]

Some breaking News,

Lordstown motors Is likely to fail.

They just announced there is not enough $$ to go into production even though they have $578 million in cash but are carrying 260 million in debt.

This following the announcement two weeks ago they were dropping their vehicle production forecast to 1000 vehicles this year.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

When I was a kid, in the 60s and 70s, there was an older neighborhood full of Victorian houses. One of them was painted pink. Bright pink. It had a glass garage. Inside that garage, was an electric car from 1911. My dad pointed it out often.

Sadly, the house is no longer pink. Still there, though, and in great condition, but not pink and no car.

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That is a nice house.

 

[PuffyC]

Some breaking News,

Lordstown motors Is likely to fail.

They just announced there is not enough $$ to go into production even though they have $578 million in cash but are carrying 260 million in debt.

This following the announcement two weeks ago they were dropping their vehicle production forecast to 1000 vehicles this year.

A lot of these EV startups are going to fail although that's often how bleeding edge tech startups tend to go. Lordstown seems like it may be extra shady IMO: Don’t trust that SPAC deck – TechCrunch

 

[Gale Hawkins]

A lot of these EV startups are going to fail although that's often how bleeding edge tech startups tend to go. Lordstown seems like it may be extra shady IMO: Don’t trust that SPAC deck – TechCrunch

It reminds me of the personal computing era of the '80s and the 90s. IBM then sold their personal computing lines to China and the others outsourced to China. While China is expected to win a lion's share of the EV $$$ hopefully they build many in the USA like they do their tractors

 

[Larry Caldwell]

The only ones that are ignorant (and naive and gullible) are the ones that think there is actually something we humans can do about natural changes and cycles etc...

A little learning is a dangerous thing ;

Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :

There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,

And drinking largely sobers us again. - Alexander Pope

 

[/pine]

"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts"

Richard P. Feynman

Richard Feynman – Scientist. Teacher. Raconteur. Musician

Richard Feynman, scientist, teacher, raconteur, and drummer. He assisted in the development of the atomic bomb, expanded the understanding of quantumelectrodynamics, translated Mayan hieroglyphics, and cut to the heart of the Challenger disaster.

www.feynman.com

 

[MossRoad]

Electric van company aims to recharge Mishawaka auto plant

MISHAWAKA — After a pause of nearly four years, vehicle production is expected to resume later this year in the former AM General plant that once built the Hummer H2.

www.southbendtribune.com

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Electric van company aims to recharge Mishawaka auto plant

MISHAWAKA — After a pause of nearly four years, vehicle production is expected to resume later this year in the former AM General plant that once built the Hummer H2.

www.southbendtribune.com

Every company with those plans that the USA can get to and keep profitable will be a win win.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Looks like the blade format battery maybe the wave of the future in EVs.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

I think we can add Nissan to the list of car makers with no clear paths forward.

 

[PuffyC]

I think we can add Nissan to the list of car makers with no clear paths forward.

Debt is not inherently good or bad, and with the vast majority of Ford's debt coming from Ford Credit it's not a big concern IMO. I would assume GM is in a similar boat but I don't know. Nissan's biggest problems seem to be poor product and poor leadership, two things that are a cancer in any business. If they can turn either around while being anchored to Renault is anybody's guess.

 

[airbiscuit]

Maybe they should partner with Citroen.

 

[Hay Dude]

They had electric vehicles over 100 years ago. Nothing new there.

120!

 

[Larry Caldwell]

"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts"

Richard P. Feynman

Richard Feynman – Scientist. Teacher. Raconteur. Musician

Richard Feynman, scientist, teacher, raconteur, and drummer. He assisted in the development of the atomic bomb, expanded the understanding of quantumelectrodynamics, translated Mayan hieroglyphics, and cut to the heart of the Challenger disaster.

www.feynman.com

Yeah, my nuclear physics prof was Feynman's office mate on the Manhattan Project.

 

[Citydude]

Citydude, you know something tells me all the recycled, contaminated battery parts won’t end up in downtown LA, they’ll end up in landfills out in beautiful places, like Wyoming, Montana, etc. where all the “unimportant“ people live.

Exactly...

 

[Citydude]

Biden's EV Push Includes a Battery Recycling Program

"EV Push" talk is cheap. We are at least 10 years late to the EV evolution that started in 2008.

And this guy is leading the charge?

 

[MossRoad]

120!

220, 221, whatever it takes!

 

[buckeyefarmer]

, love that line.

 

[Grumpycat]

Anti-EV people often bring up power plants, not realizing that the modern coal plants are cleaner than the typical car - it's much easier to scrub that exhaust in one place than in a million cars, and more likely to be maintained (assuming the EPA hasn't been gutted). Natural gas? *way* cleaner than ICE. In what world did you think this would be a gotcha?

I’ve said may times here and elsewhere that I’ve done the math (which the EPA hides because they hate coal) using the EPA’s data available in 2013 my power hog Tesla Model S (380 Wh/mile from the power grid, a new Model 3 can be as little as 260 Wh/mile) running on pure coal fired USA electricity has emissions comparable to a 30 MPG gasoline automobile.

But, is effortlees to run the Tesla on nuclear, natural gas, hydro, coal, oil, solar, or wind. While diluting gasoline with only 10% ethanol is a huge effort.

Depending on cost of gasoline my cost/mile for electricity is between 60 and 90 MPG.