Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Hay Dude]

I'm not responsible for your ignorance.

Fifth Straight Year of Central American Drought Helping Drive Migration

Recent rains have helped, but long-term climate change is likely to significantly increase migration

blogs.scientificamerican.com

The whole impetus for the EV shift is to phase out fossil fuels. As I have mentioned, I think it is too little and decades too late, but we may as well go along for the ride.

Larry,
Does the word "remittances" ring a bell?
Talk about ignorance....

Oh, and another thing, arent we in a "global climate crisis"? So moving from Guatemala to the US everything will be awesome? All the climate issues just vanish when you step into Texas?
Come on dude....its all about the money.
People been jumping the border from Central America into the US for 50 years, way before "climate change" was a campaign mantra.

 

[/pine]

I'm not responsible for your ignorance.

Fifth Straight Year of Central American Drought Helping Drive Migration

Recent rains have helped, but long-term climate change is likely to significantly increase migration

blogs.scientificamerican.com

The whole impetus for the EV shift is to phase out fossil fuels. As I have mentioned, I think it is too little and decades too late, but we may as well go along for the ride.

The only ones that are ignorant (and naive and gullible) are the ones that think there is actually something we humans can do about natural changes and cycles etc...

 

[lman]

Wow I thought the USPS was broke. I guess shipping prices will be climbing.

 

[Hay Dude]

Wow I thought the USPS was broke. I guess shipping prices will be climbing.

Plennnnnty of money out there.

 

[lman]

I forgot it grows on trees out there!

 

[buickanddeere]

Anti-EV people often bring up power plants, not realizing that the modern coal plants are cleaner than the typical car - it's much easier to scrub that exhaust in one place than in a million cars, and more likely to be maintained (assuming the EPA hasn't been gutted). Natural gas? *way* cleaner than ICE. In what world did you think this would be a gotcha?

If you want to talk about EVs being non-environmental, we need to do a full lifecycle comparison -- everything that goes into the EV or ICE car (ICE car wins this part, hands down), plus everything that goes into the cars during their full lifetime of use (EV definitely wins this part, especially since they'll probably last longer mechanically), plus recycling (ICE would win the end-of-life).

I'm not sure what the ultimate comparison sums to. It's tempting to give it to ICE since batteries are so nasty to produce and non-trivial to recycle (though the recycling could ultimately offset a substantial portion of the production, though I don't think it does at this point), but everything involved in the ICE fuel cycle is bad too.

If you are so concerned about “climate change” and CO2. Tell us about the annual thousands of tons of CO2 stack emissions from coal and gas plants .

 

[Steppenwolfe]

The only ones that are ignorant (and naive and gullible) are the ones that think there is actually something we humans can do about natural changes and cycles etc...

I'm pretty much with you on this one; given the geological history of the Earth we can verify, climate change happens so often it shouldn't be a surprise to mankind today. Measuring Earth's timeline to a human's is rather ridiculous.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

I forgot it grows on trees out there!

Only becomes money once sawn into lumber...

 

[Hay Dude]

If you are so concerned about “climate change” and CO2. Tell us about the annual thousands of tons of CO2 stack emissions from coal and gas plants .

Then theres the debate "is CO2 a pollutant". The EPA doesn't think so.

 

[ning]

If you are so concerned about “climate change” and CO2. Tell us about the annual thousands of tons of CO2 stack emissions from coal and gas plants .

The CO2 produced by for energy to move a car is going to be pretty similar whether it's an ICE or a coal or gas plant.
Of course, the EV can (and does partially) run on non-CO2 energy, unlike the ICE.

Next?

 

[buickanddeere]

Hence no advantage to driving an EV

 

[buickanddeere]

CO2 is essential plant food

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Hence no advantage to driving an EV

I think most posting may agree especially when owning good vehicles that should out live us in many cases.

 

[Hay Dude]

Well, lets not get the cart before the horse. All these flowery reports of the EV saving the planet but not much on where the dead batteries end up.

Recycling of the batteries should be in the discussion. Any manufacturer of an EV should be responsible for the disposal or recycling of a hazardous material.

Once again, the downstream effect of a mass produced product has environmental consequences.

Electric cars: What will happen to all the dead batteries?

In the next 10 years millions of old electric car batteries will need to be recycled or discarded.

www.bbc.com

Citydude, you know something tells me all the recycled, contaminated battery parts won’t end up in downtown LA, they’ll end up in landfills out in beautiful places, like Wyoming, Montana, etc. where all the “unimportant“ people live.

 

[Hay Dude]

I'm pretty much with you on this one; given the geological history of the Earth we can verify, climate change happens so often it shouldn't be a surprise to mankind today. Measuring Earth's timeline to a human's is rather ridiculous.

Never let a good crisis go to waste

 

[Fixastuff]

Citydude, you know something tells me all the recycled, contaminated battery parts won’t end up in downtown LA, they’ll end up in landfills out in beautiful places, like Wyoming, Montana, etc. where all the “unimportant“ people live.

You're just as important as anyone else, cheer up!

 

[buickanddeere]

I think most posting may agree especially when owning good vehicles that should out live us in many cases.

Vehicles will not outlast the owners in the rustbelt. There are many folks that reside in areas where salt is not spread on the roads. Their experience with vehicles is much different .

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Biden's EV Push Includes a Battery Recycling Program

"EV Push" talk is cheap. We are at least 10 years late to the EV evolution that started in 2008.

 

[cqaigy2]

Us Mail had electric delivery vehicles 50 years ago. Nothing new there.

They had electric vehicles over 100 years ago. Nothing new there.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Vehicles will not outlast the owners in the rustbelt. There are many folks that reside in areas where salt is not spread on the roads. Their experience with vehicles is much different .

buickanddeere are you turning into an Elon Musk fan boy?

Sounds like a Cybertruck with it's aluminum casted underside and stainless steel body may be in your future.