Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[lman]

Ha! I would not. Where I’m from that kind of weather means you don’t drive

It's a long cold walk to work.

 

[MossRoad]

It surprised me to ride urban light rail (overhead electric powered) and feel it shift low to high gear after it was moving along, maybe 20 mph. While Tesla has a far greater motor rpm range and does it in a single gear. Maybe that was just a shift from parallel to series current but its noticeable.

The South Shore has some pretty great acceleration. It has to go very slow in town while it crosses so many streets and has to make a snake-like curve just west of town. But then it hits the last crossing and ZOOM! Up to 70 really quick. It can push you back in your seat a bit. Pretty fun. We've ridden it to Chicago a few times. What's nice is on weekends, any paying adult can take up to two children free.

 

[MossRoad]

Also, the South Shore Line is not to be confused with the Chicago South Shore & South Bend Railroad. The South Shore Line is the electric commuter. The CSS is the freight RR and the originator of the South Shore Line. They are now 2 separate companies.

CSS – Chicago South Shore & South Bend Railroad

www.anacostia.com

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Police-Spec 2022 Chevrolet Bolt EUV and Bolt EV Are Here to Protect and Serve

How to power the radar, computer, etc and keep cool/warm and never start your engine.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

The South Shore has some pretty great acceleration. It has to go very slow in town while it crosses so many streets and has to make a snake-like curve just west of town. But then it hits the last crossing and ZOOM! Up to 70 really quick. It can push you back in your seat a bit. Pretty fun. We've ridden it to Chicago a few times. What's nice is on weekends, any paying adult can take up to two children free.

The last new car I bought in 2008 cost me $12,500 plus $1000 tax etc. It averaged over 34 mpg for 12 years and I put over 230,000 miles on it. Total maintenance was probably around $2000 not including tires. I just bought a used Mazda 3 stick and I'm getting about 38 mpg. I paid $15K + tax/title. I expect to get over 200,000 miles out of it. It has a range of over 450 miles per tank. Is there any electric vehicle that can compare monetarily to either of these vehicles available now? I prefer cars over SUV's for commuting.

Kevin

Kelvin you found the sweet spot of vehicle ownership. Glad you found a stick because emergency braking and adaptive cruise control requirements seem to be deleting the stick option.

 

[Hay Dude]

Tesla does not advertise. Does not produce TV commercials. Does not advertise other than Electric Cars, Solar & Clean Energy | Tesla

Pretty smart. Tesla seems to appeal to educated clientele.
Todays TV is aimed at about a 4th grade level of intellect.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Radar was a good idea but just didn't work out in the real world for full self driving. This is a model Y with the radar delete.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

China's Advanced 'Artificial Sun' Fusion Reactor Just Broke a New World Record

Hey that's a lot of energy to be harnessed. It has been talked for so long I thought it was just mythology.

 

[PuffyC]

If you haven’t seen it, check out the new Hummer EV crab walk feature where it can rotate all four wheels and drive diagonally. GM says it’ll make 1,000 hp, go from 0-60 in 3.0 seconds and cost about $110,000. It can also raise the vehicle 6 inches at the push of a button. Reservations for the first Edition 1 models sold out in 10 minutes and deliveries for the pickup version are supposed to start this fall:

 

[Larry Caldwell]

Ford just announced a Maverick compact pickup. It will apparently be a hybrid.

Ford to expand profitable truck lineup with new small Maverick pickup

The Ford Maverick pickup is expected to be among the smallest and cheapest pickups in the U.S., filling a void for some buyers.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Ford just announced a Maverick compact pickup. It will apparently be a hybrid.

Ford to expand profitable truck lineup with new small Maverick pickup

The Ford Maverick pickup is expected to be among the smallest and cheapest pickups in the U.S., filling a void for some buyers.

www.cnbc.com

The last time I remember that was the name of a Ford car that may have predated the Pinto.

 

[MossRoad]

The last time I remember that was the name of a Ford car that may have predated the Pinto.

Yep.

Ford Maverick (1970) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

and Mercury Comet

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Yep.

Ford Maverick (1970) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

and Mercury Comet

I had a black over white 1966 Comet with bright red vinyl interior.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

EV boom to trigger spending of US$560b to build lithium-ion battery factories this decade, says Rystad

I never expected this hyper EV craze. I guess after BYD and Tesla showed the rest of the world the EV path many must have wanted in on the movement. I wish the battery technology was more enhanced before they start building millions of cars with batteries that may not hold up long-term.

 

[kenmbz]

There are now laws on the books to have a certain % EV autos in Europe, and I think some are in the US too.

 

[goeduck]

I am warming up to the idea of an EV commuter vehicle in the Ford Ranger size/type. But I still have my eyes for now on a new F350 6.7.

 

[Cat385B]

I am warming up to the idea of an EV commuter vehicle in the Ford Ranger size/type. But I still have my eyes for now on a new F350 6.7.

Alpha Wolf. If they make it to production, they plan on a reg cab and an extended cab.

I’m all in on the Canoo truck, but hoping I don’t have to wait until 2023 to get it.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

After listening to this 4 times I still think the new proposed EV tax rebate is a haste makes waste event. Speeding up the failure of Ford will hurt a lot of retirement plans.

 

[travisbb]

After listening to this 4 times I still think the new proposed EV tax rebate is a haste makes waste event. Speeding up the failure of Ford will hurt a lot of retirement plans.

I don't find that video convincing at all.

Firstly, that video makes both the claims that the EV F-150 will crowd out ICE F-150 sales and Ford will need to put a lot of effort into marketing the EV F-150. Those are contradictory and it can't be both ways at the same time. Either Ford needs to push hard to sell EVs or EVs sell themselves and will crowd out ICE sales, not both.

Secondly, it makes an assumption that the first generation EV F-150s are going to cannibalize ICE F-150 sales. I don't see it that way at all. Instead I see this first generation of EV F-150 as primarily opening new markets -- mostly those from urban areas who have never made it a habit to travel long distances for weekends and don't have the toys which go with pickup truck life. Instead these people have no real expectations but are tired of cramming their camping/hiking/skiing gear or kids/dog into their hatchback and are thinking of taking up wood working/gardening/etc as a hobby. They would already own a pickup if they weren't so very uncool within their social group.

EV F-150s will displace some ICE pickups with fleet and trades customers (onboard power, frunk, lower TCO are all welcome), but when fleets and trades need a pickup, they can't wait -- if there are no EVs to be had, they'll just buy an ICE model. For many existing half-ton owners, the range and recharging of the EV F-150 doesn't match their expectations. Few single pickup owners will make the jump, but many multiple pickup owners will buy an EV F-150 as a second pickup. But again, these EV F-150 sales are in-addition-to, not instead-of ICE F-150 sales.

The third thing the video gets wrong is misunderstanding production of trim levels. Ford won't produce the many of the low-cost EV trim levels if they can use all their production on Platinum models. The high-trim models are what's appealing to the EV-pickup-OK-ICE-pickup-never crowd and don't have the pricing problems the video claims.

One thing the video does get right is that battery production will be the major constraint. That's where I think the EV rebate can help, by covering higher battery costs.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

I don't find that video convincing at all.

Firstly, that video makes both the claims that the EV F-150 will crowd out ICE F-150 sales and Ford will need to put a lot of effort into marketing the EV F-150. Those are contradictory and it can't be both ways at the same time. Either Ford needs to push hard to sell EVs or EVs sell themselves and will crowd out ICE sales, not both.

Secondly, it makes an assumption that the first generation EV F-150s are going to cannibalize ICE F-150 sales. I don't see it that way at all. Instead I see this first generation of EV F-150 as primarily opening new markets -- mostly those from urban areas who have never made it a habit to travel long distances for weekends and don't have the toys which go with pickup truck life. Instead these people have no real expectations but are tired of cramming their camping/hiking/skiing gear or kids/dog into their hatchback and are thinking of taking up wood working/gardening/etc as a hobby. They would already own a pickup if they weren't so very uncool within their social group.

EV F-150s will displace some ICE pickups with fleet and trades customers (onboard power, frunk, lower TCO are all welcome), but when fleets and trades need a pickup, they can't wait -- if there are no EVs to be had, they'll just buy an ICE model. For many existing half-ton owners, the range and recharging of the EV F-150 doesn't match their expectations. Few single pickup owners will make the jump, but many multiple pickup owners will buy an EV F-150 as a second pickup. But again, these EV F-150 sales are in-addition-to, not instead-of ICE F-150 sales.

The third thing the video gets wrong is misunderstanding production of trim levels. Ford won't produce the many of the low-cost EV trim levels if they can use all their production on Platinum models. The high-trim models are what's appealing to the EV-pickup-OK-ICE-pickup-never crowd and don't have the pricing problems the video claims.

One thing the video does get right is that battery production will be the major constraint. That's where I think the EV rebate can help, by covering higher battery costs.

Travis does this guy's points about the F150 Lighting seem more correct in a technical sense to you?