Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Egon]

That is more of the same problem as ethanol.

The problem with ethanol is that it carries water in solution. Furthermore some of the ethanol oxygen is available so oxygen plus water equals potential for corrosion.

Ethanol is bearable if you can keep water out of it. Ethanol treatments only increase the amount of water that can be carried in solution. Doesn't "neutralize" ethanol.

"Ethanol treatments" can not get rid of or eliminate ethanol, they do more of exactly the same thing: increase the capacity to carry water. Add an "ethanol stabilizer" to cloudy E10 and the cloudiness goes away! Hurray! It was only cloudy because there was so much water it was starting to fall out of solution. But thanks to the ethanol "treatment" you can push even more water through your engine than with plain E10!

Decarbonization of the internals of the combustion chamber could be a benefit.

Water injection a well used option.

Water injection (engine) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Toyota unveils hydrogen-burning engine plan to fight EV mania.

If you are unable to learn how to join the EV movement then why not buck the trend?

Old line ICE car companies are inviting the Chinese EV makers to own the USA vehicle market like they invited in Japanese auto makers 50 years ago by setting on their butts making only gas guzzlers. Looks like Japan is going to miss the EV movement by following our play book from 50 years ago.

Not sure how I see it but here is the gist.

It's not a silent hydrogen "fuel cell" under the hood, but a freshly minted "hydrogen-burning" three- banger.

The engine is still just a prototype, but Toyoda believes it holds big promise for his company, for the industry and for carbon neutrality in a world seemingly gone gaga over full-electric vehicles

 

[PuffyC]

When people start referring to an automobile as an 'appliance'., I start wondering about them. Not a dishwasher but then maybe it is...

They're about as exciting as a dishwasher

That's just a derogatory term for any economical, bland car that offers little in the way of fun or excitement. Some people are passionate about cars and driving while others are not, and those people just need an "appliance" to get them around town. Those are the people who wouldn't own a car at all if they could get away with it. I've always been very passionate about cars and wrenching so I use it as a dig but it's all in good fun.

 

[MossRoad]

Does that include covid stimulus money and EV tax credits?

Yep. Everything.

 

[MossRoad]

More to farming than E-corn. Way more.

Take away 40% of the corn farmers' income and see how that affects them.

 

[MossRoad]

Mossy? Was that his nickname when he was a kiddo?

No. It was "that kid that lives down the block".

 

[goeduck]

There will not be a grid problem, we can just use our gas powered generators to charge our EVs.

 

[airbiscuit]

Our generators won't run because they are all gunked up with ethanol.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

I went to high school with 4 boys who's father was an informed farmer.2 of them took farming to the next level. 25 years ago I asked the oldest son why they burnt down one farm of fine wheat. He said Gale we no longer farm the land instead we farm the USDA programs.

 

[Phil Timmons]

40% of the U.S. corn crop is converted to ethanol. Think about that for a while. Especially in the context of this discussion.

yeah . . . . what is the look ahead for US Corn / Farming Industry in that regard when most US Ground Transportation has gone electric?

Corn Crop collapse? Export for Fuel? Aircraft running on Ethanol?

 

[5030]

Take away 40% of the corn farmers' income and see how that affects them.

That entirely is dependent on what they are growing. Very few around here grow e-corn.... and I will tell you that making money on e-corn is very slim. The ethanol producers really penciled it out. You have to grow a specific variety (dictated by them) and it's all on a contract price set ahead of time so when inputs rise and fuel cost rises (as it is presently), the slim profit margin grows even slimmer.

Why row croppers around here don't plant it.

Typically, seed corn is about 300 bucks per 52 pound sack. I know well, my good friend down the road is one of the largest seed corn producers in the State of Michigan and I get most all of his no germ uncoated seed corn to heat my house with in the winter. Seed corn must 'germ' at 95% or better to be marketable and it's tested regularly. I have the cheapest heat in the winter...free corn.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

yeah . . . . what is the look ahead for US Corn / Farming Industry in that regard when most US Ground Transportation has gone electric?

Corn Crop collapse? Export for Fuel? Aircraft running on Ethanol?

Perhaps we are facing many changes over the next 30 years as fossil fuel usage is phased out or j. By then most baby boomers will be phased out as well so these issues will be more of a concern for the yet to be born than most posting today.

 

[5030]

yeah . . . . what is the look ahead for US Corn / Farming Industry in that regard when most US Ground Transportation has gone electric?

Where did you get that at? Not true. Maybe in Kalifornia but not anywhere else and anyone that foists that 'fact' is FOS.

 

[5030]

Our generators won't run because they are all gunked up with ethanol.

Not an issue on this farm. The main backup genny is diesel fired and the house genny is propane.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Where did you get that at? Not true. Maybe in Kalifornia but not anywhere else and anyone that foists that 'fact' is FOS.

Reality check time? How many corporations are going to run diesel trucks at twice the expense of electric?

 

[5030]

Reality check time? How many corporations are going to run diesel trucks at twice the expense of electric?

Reality is, maybe when the engines wear out or the inherent maintenance costs exceed the cost of changing.

I know UPS here tried 'electric' delivery vans for a year and went back to diesels. They even tried CNG and it didn't work out.

The only reason why motor fuel is climbing in price is the current administration, one that I don't align with at all.

You can bank on alternative fuels also climbing in price as well. Like I said before, the gummit will extract it's 'pound of flesh' no matter what the motive power is.

If you think for a minute that electric utilities won't pass on the cost of alternate power generation to you as a consumer, you live in a glass house.

Called being a Capitalist.

 

[grsthegreat]

How many corporations will let ekectric trucks run a few hundred miles a day and stay in business

 

[5030]

How many corporations will let ekectric trucks run a few hundred miles a day and stay in business

Not many if any. I could just see some dead electric delivery truck in the side of the road being 'recharged' by a service truck with a gas powered genny in the back...

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Electric truck trains running in electrified cross country tunnels will come back to the surface roads fully charged for another 500 miles of range.

 

[Phil Timmons]

Where did you get that at? Not true. Maybe in Kalifornia but not anywhere else and anyone that foists that 'fact' is FOS.

Do you mean where for "US Ground Transportation going (at least mostly) Electric?"

It is already happening. Even cheap Gasoline or Diesel cannot compete. Retail Electricity is less than 1/4 the price of "Cheap" Gasoline or Diesel.

Renewable Electricity (Silicon Solar PV in particular) has become so cheap, that businesses or even normal folks can "fuel" or charge at their own place for "Free."

Going out further, Electric Roadways will be even less than "Battery" system, and prices just collapse further.

This is NOT some "Future Tech" stuff -- it is happening now. My question is about the effects on the Ethanol Corn Industry.