Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Egon]

That is more of the same problem as ethanol.

The problem with ethanol is that it carries water in solution. Furthermore some of the ethanol oxygen is available so oxygen plus water equals potential for corrosion.

Ethanol is bearable if you can keep water out of it. Ethanol treatments only increase the amount of water that can be carried in solution. Doesn't "neutralize" ethanol.

"Ethanol treatments" can not get rid of or eliminate ethanol, they do more of exactly the same thing: increase the capacity to carry water. Add an "ethanol stabilizer" to cloudy E10 and the cloudiness goes away! Hurray! It was only cloudy because there was so much water it was starting to fall out of solution. But thanks to the ethanol "treatment" you can push even more water through your engine than with plain E10!

Decarbonization of the internals of the combustion chamber could be a benefit.

Water injection a well used option.

Water injection (engine) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Toyota unveils hydrogen-burning engine plan to fight EV mania.

If you are unable to learn how to join the EV movement then why not buck the trend?

Old line ICE car companies are inviting the Chinese EV makers to own the USA vehicle market like they invited in Japanese auto makers 50 years ago by setting on their butts making only gas guzzlers. Looks like Japan is going to miss the EV movement by following our play book from 50 years ago.

Not sure how I see it but here is the gist.

It's not a silent hydrogen "fuel cell" under the hood, but a freshly minted "hydrogen-burning" three- banger.

The engine is still just a prototype, but Toyoda believes it holds big promise for his company, for the industry and for carbon neutrality in a world seemingly gone gaga over full-electric vehicles

 

[PuffyC]

When people start referring to an automobile as an 'appliance'., I start wondering about them. Not a dishwasher but then maybe it is...

They're about as exciting as a dishwasher

That's just a derogatory term for any economical, bland car that offers little in the way of fun or excitement. Some people are passionate about cars and driving while others are not, and those people just need an "appliance" to get them around town. Those are the people who wouldn't own a car at all if they could get away with it. I've always been very passionate about cars and wrenching so I use it as a dig but it's all in good fun.

 

[MossRoad]

Does that include covid stimulus money and EV tax credits?

Yep. Everything.

 

[MossRoad]

More to farming than E-corn. Way more.

Take away 40% of the corn farmers' income and see how that affects them.

 

[MossRoad]

Mossy? Was that his nickname when he was a kiddo?

No. It was "that kid that lives down the block".

 

[goeduck]

There will not be a grid problem, we can just use our gas powered generators to charge our EVs.

 

[airbiscuit]

Our generators won't run because they are all gunked up with ethanol.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

I went to high school with 4 boys who's father was an informed farmer.2 of them took farming to the next level. 25 years ago I asked the oldest son why they burnt down one farm of fine wheat. He said Gale we no longer farm the land instead we farm the USDA programs.

 

[Phil Timmons]

40% of the U.S. corn crop is converted to ethanol. Think about that for a while. Especially in the context of this discussion.

yeah . . . . what is the look ahead for US Corn / Farming Industry in that regard when most US Ground Transportation has gone electric?

Corn Crop collapse? Export for Fuel? Aircraft running on Ethanol?