Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[goeduck]

My trusty 93 Suburban just bought the farm a few months ago. Rust.

Was out in Oklahoma last week and upgraded to a 2003!

You kids and your new fangled vehicles. Just have to have the newest and best.

 

[MossRoad]

You kids and your new fangled vehicles. Just have to have the newest and best.

Yep. I figured it was time for a replacement when I kept getting into the 93 in the mornings and I'd see a sparrow sitting inside with me. The windows were NOT down.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Yep. I figured it was time for a replacement when I kept getting into the 93 in the mornings and I'd see a sparrow sitting inside with me. The windows were NOT down.

What, you had air conditioning?

 

[goeduck]

I think Moss had the body panel delete option that kicks in after time.

 

[Egon]

Heck; I have the privilege of climbing into a twenty five year old truck or a seventeen year old SUV.

SUV is good for rust. The truck is also good after some home done rust repairs.

 

[MossRoad]

What, you had air conditioning?

YEP! There's an interior panel cover missing on the left that covers the jack location. The rust in the left wheel well is so large that the sparrows land in the wheel well on the tire looking for bugs. They look up and see daylight and fly up into the interior of the truck. Then it's all clear windows and they can't figure out how to get out.

 

[Grumpycat]

I expect the marketing objective of the Super Chargers to drive sales are no longer critical but may help boost end of quarter sales from time to time. Currently there is a one stall Supercharger 60 mile from my house.

The purpose of the Supercharger is to allow you to drive to Nashville (or wherever) and back with minimal inconvenience. Coming from the south I can make Nashville (or Birmingham) round trip, with care. Or with casual abandon including a stop at a Supercharger. This is the point haters are trying not to hear.

 

[MossRoad]

I don't think it's so much being a hater. However, I just made two 850 mile 13-hour trips with 1 fifteen minute stop on each trip for fuel and bathroom break. Had I had to stop to charge 2-3 times on each of those trips, I'd have also had to get hotel rooms and the trip would have taken 4 days instead of 2. Plus, on the trip there, I had a ton of stuff and the vehicle was packed, adding probably several hundred pounds of weight.

I could use an electric car around town. It might be in my future as a 2nd car. Especially with the wife working from home. But for highway use, winter time heaters, summer time air, etc... I won't do it. I want to be on my way.

One more question - in a ICE vehicle, if, for some reason, you run out of gas, you borrow/buy a gallon and off you go. What happens to an electric vehicle if you run out of battery? What's the procedure to get going again? I'm serious, not poking fun. I'd like to know how that's handled.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

I don't think it's so much being a hater. However, I just made two 850 mile 13-hour trips with 1 fifteen minute stop on each trip for fuel and bathroom break. Had I had to stop to charge 2-3 times on each of those trips, I'd have also had to get hotel rooms and the trip would have taken 4 days instead of 2. Plus, on the trip there, I had a ton of stuff and the vehicle was packed, adding probably several hundred pounds of weight.

I could use an electric car around town. It might be in my future as a 2nd car. Especially with the wife working from home. But for highway use, winter time heaters, summer time air, etc... I won't do it. I want to be on my way.

One more question - in a ICE vehicle, if, for some reason, you run out of gas, you borrow/buy a gallon and off you go. What happens to an electric vehicle if you run out of battery? What's the procedure to get going again? I'm serious, not poking fun. I'd like to know how that's handled.

Call AAA. They will send somebody with an F-150 Lightning out to give you a jump.

 

[MossRoad]

Call AAA. They will send somebody with an F-150 Lightning out to give you a jump.

Thanks for the serious answer.

 

[grsthegreat]

My work truck is a 1994 Dodge DIESEL Ram. Still looks good but I had it repainted about 8 years ago. Gets used a lot, and long day of driving some days. Also gets 24-27 MPG.
my horse trailer towing rig is a 2004 F350 in great shape. Clean. Looks great and runs great. only has 100,000 miles. Lucky to get 15 mpg, but can tow a house. Need this to tow 30 ft 5th wheel horse trailer. Gets same mileage towing or not towing. Also a diesel.

my last truck is a 2017 Toyota Tundra. Very low mileage truck for the wife. Being retired it does not get much use. Not great on mpg, but unbelievable power. 5.7L and a light truck. Amazing power.

 

[bearthebruce]

One more question - in a ICE vehicle, if, for some reason, you run out of gas, you borrow/buy a gallon and off you go. What happens to an electric vehicle if you run out of battery? What's the procedure to get going again? I'm serious, not poking fun. I'd like to know how that's handled.

There are services forming that load up a truck with charging equip.. They come and get you enough charge to make it to a full charging station.

Then there are the funny solutions. Saw a picture of an EV towing a small diesel generator so they could keep going wherever they wanted to go without a worry.. (Provided they carried enough diesel!) If I find the pic, I'll post here.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

People with electric cars will be like the Amish, they pull hay balers with a horse, baler ran from a gas engine. People with electric cars will be traveling with a backup generator and cans of gas to recharge their vehicles.

Moss, no birds got in here.

Lol, but we used this truck till the whole frame rusted in half.

 

[airbiscuit]

As the market grows, the solutions will follow - More charging stations, boost packs that will get you a ways in limp mode, fast chargers on service trucks, etc. My old motorcycle had a reserve selector on my fuel shut off, to get me home when fuel was low.

If all the issues being raised by the skeptics were deal beakers, Auto Manufacturers wouldn't be designing EVs. I expect that one of my children will own an EV within 5 years. I can see myself owning an EV as a second car at some point in my future. I'm not racing to get there, but I don't mind getting there.

The future sounds impossible until you get there.

 

[MossRoad]

Another thing. When you go to visit someone out of town you don't ask them if they can give you some gasoline when you get there. Now, "Can I plug my car in while we visit?" If they only have 110V outlets, it could take hours to days, at 2 miles per charging hour. You live 100 miles away? That's 50 hours of charging at 110V. Yikes!

It ads pre-planning to any trip where you might not make it to a faster charging location. I don't want to do logistics to go visit Aunt Mildred.

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[lman]

People with electric cars will be like the Amish, they pull hay balers with a horse, baler ran from a gas engine. People with electric cars will be traveling with a backup generator and cans of gas to recharge their vehicles.

Moss, no birds got in here. View attachment 700077
Lol, but we used this truck till the whole frame rusted in half.

My Amish neighbor drives a diesel tractor pulling a trailer down the road. Are you saying we are going to get rid of our cars and trucks and just drive tractors down the road.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

I would love to have a 2025 Tesla out Tx. They are leap frogging themselves year after year. BYD and others coming out of China have a good shot. I love the looks of the BYD blade battery technology. VW is the only old line I see meaningful making the transition to EV's in the next 10 years. Today Tesla still leads all others on price, performance and total cost of ownership.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

My Amish neighbor drives a diesel tractor pulling a trailer down the road. Are you saying we are going to get rid of our cars and trucks and just drive tractors down the road.

Some Mennonite drive vehicles, some don’t. Never known any Amish that drive vehicles or tractors, but don’t doubt some do. Why are you saying we need to get rid of our cars and drive tractors?

 

[airbiscuit]

From the Washington Post:

"ExxonMobil shareholders voted Wednesday to install at least two new independent directors to the company’s board, a resounding defeat for chief executive Darren Woods and a ratification of shareholders’ unhappiness with the way the company had been addressing climate change and its lagging financial performance.

The votes were part of a trying day for the oil industry. In Europe, a Dutch court ordered Royal Dutch Shell to make deeper-than-planned cuts in greenhouse gas emissions, and in the United States Chevron lost a shareholder vote directing the company to take into account its customers’ emissions when planning reductions.
The vote at the storied oil giant ExxonMobil “sends an unmistakable signal that climate action is a financial imperative and leading investors know it and are demanding change,” Fred Krupp, president of the Environmental Defense Fund, said. “This is a watershed moment for the oil and gas industry. It’s no longer tenable for companies like ExxonMobil to defy calls to align their businesses with decarbonizing the economy.”"

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Iran bans cryptocurrency mining for four months to stave off blackouts

Until last week when Elon Musk stated Tesla decided to stop accepting Bit Coin for payment I didn't how dirty it could be.