Two tractor plan: hitch category considerations

   / Two tractor plan: hitch category considerations #1  

grandgourmand

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Hi there,

I'm going to buy my first tractor in the Spring. Have been deliberating this decision for a few years. Have a country property, but haven't built any structures on it until next year, so will finally have a place to store it and do maintenance work.

I have a few tractors in mind (see below) and my decision could be made a lot easier if I think of the Cat 1 vs. Cat 2 hitch. My long term plan is to have two tractors. A smaller one and a bigger one. Context and expected tasks:
1) 75 acre property, with 40 open fields (flat) and 35 forested, with ravines. There are trails, but are pretty steep.
2) Maintenance tasks such as brush hogging, wood chipping, handling logs from fallen trees or ones I cut, trail building/expansion. Some landscaping too...but if it's too intense, I'll rent a bobcat or something. In the winter time, there'll be snow clearing on a driveway that's about half a mile.
3) Some agricultural work, like tilling. Eventually plan to grow garlic on about 5 acres, rotate with regular crops. Also plan on having pasture for rotational beef grazing. So there'll be some moving of water tanks, round bale handling in the winter, clearing manure & straw bedding
4) I also have another property that is 99 acres. I won't live there. but it's got more acreage for farming, which could include expansion of the garlic plan and a bigger beef herd. It's a ten minute drive away by car, so not ideal. But could leave one tractor at one place and only move them temporarily

My first tractor will be a compact utility. And I've decided either the Kubota L4060 or the MX5400. ROPS to save money and to make it easier to work in the bush (the other property also has about 30 acres wooded), expanding trails.

My second tractor, which will be several years away...I'm thinking something like the M4D.

Brands are not written in stone, but I like the local Kubota dealer, and they're also the closest. JD too expensive in my area, and everything else almost an hour away.

I like the L4060 because it's got more bells and whistles. The MX5400 is more tractor for the money, including a stronger loader. They end up being about the same price. The MX also has a category 2 hitch. I'm thinking having category 2 on both tractors (eventually) will make it simpler for attachments. Can use them on both, making it a more efficient setup. Does that make sense? If so, could be a no-brainer decision then.

Thanks in advance.
 
   / Two tractor plan: hitch category considerations #2  
Most quick hitches for compact utility tractors are category 1 on the tractor and category 2 on the hooks. Just make sure all your equipment is quick hitch compatible, buy a quick hitch, and you should be ok.
 
   / Two tractor plan: hitch category considerations #3  
MX has a Cat I/II TPH as Kubota describes it. That means MX has a Cat II TPH and Kubota provides sleeves in the MX tool box so you can fatten Cat I TPH pins to Cat II diameter.

Fattening Cat I TPH pins with sleeves to fit Cat II tractor can be done with any implement.

The main disadvantage of Cat II implements is that few are inventoried at dealers. Cat II implements are usually special order.
 
   / Two tractor plan: hitch category considerations #4  
Most quick hitches for compact utility tractors are category 1 on the tractor and category 2 on the hooks. Just make sure all your equipment is quick hitch compatible, buy a quick hitch, and you should be ok.

The HOOKS are usually Cat. 2 or 3 pin size, but the distance between the bottom hooks is still Cat. 1.

Bruce
 
   / Two tractor plan: hitch category considerations #6  
Being in Northern NY,I think you will regret not buying a cabbed tractor.Maybe something like a L6060 or M7060.Ten minutes by car is only maybe 20 by tractor.
 
   / Two tractor plan: hitch category considerations #7  
Or category 2N.

Three-point hitch - Wikipedia

Go to size category's.

Yes, but a non-width-adjustable Cat 1 or a Cat 2N hitch won't hook up to a standard Cat 2 implement. Some Cat 2 implements have a double pin arrangement so both Cat 1 and Cat 2 hitches will work.

And there are some quick hitches that are adjustable width.

Bruce
 
   / Two tractor plan: hitch category considerations #8  
Quick hitches are oversold and overrated for tractors under 75 or so hp. Telescoping draft links and telescoping tubular stabilizers coupled with an operator that understands how to use hydraulics and simple adjustments rather than his (her) back will go a long ways.
For Northern NY a cabbed Kubota MX with the dual category hitch would be well worth a look.
 
   / Two tractor plan: hitch category considerations #9  
Quick hitches are oversold and overrated for tractors under 75 or so hp. Telescoping draft links and telescoping tubular stabilizers coupled with an operator that understands how to use hydraulics and simple adjustments rather than his (her) back will go a long ways.

I can agree with what you stated. Never the less as one who drops and picks up equipment several times a day I'm very thankful I bought a quick hitch. Most times it's back up to the implement, Pull it in closer with the hydraulic top link (top hook is a bit longer than the bottom hooks), lift, hook up hydraulics/pto as required, engage the latches and I'm done. I have no interest in telescoping bottom links after using my setup.
 
   / Two tractor plan: hitch category considerations #10  
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Amen to that.

I learned very quick to appreciate my QH. Now I'm adding T-n-T and three remotes. Telescoping anything just means a bunch of fumbling around when there's work to be done. A QH cuts the BS up front. And I don't just drive a lawnmower. :rolleyes:
 
   / Two tractor plan: hitch category considerations #11  
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Amen to that.

I learned very quick to appreciate my QH. Now I'm adding T-n-T and three remotes. Telescoping anything just means a bunch of fumbling around when there's work to be done. A QH cuts the BS up front. And I don't just drive a lawnmower. :rolleyes:

3 tractors, 3 different brands of QH and different brands of implements - all interchangeable. Modded 2 implements to have standardized top hook height.
Ideas to make implements QH compatible | OrangeTractorTalks - Everything Kubota
 
   / Two tractor plan: hitch category considerations #12  
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Amen to that.

I learned very quick to appreciate my QH. Now I'm adding T-n-T and three remotes. Telescoping anything just means a bunch of fumbling around when there's work to be done. A QH cuts the BS up front. And I don't just drive a lawnmower. :rolleyes:

I'm not just your average hack.
Everyone gets to have their opinion, you don't have to agree. If you think because I currently own "just a Scag" means I don't have over 50 years owning, operating and maintaining tractors and equipment (many years as a career) along with almost 25 years of dealership experience you'd be mistaken. I will say adding a hydraulic top link or top and tilt makes a QH more user friendly so long as one's implements are fully compatible. Too many implements are incompatible with QHs for me to ever have wanted one.
 
   / Two tractor plan: hitch category considerations #13  
Quick hitches are oversold and overrated for tractors under 75 or so hp. Telescoping draft links and telescoping tubular stabilizers coupled with an operator that understands how to use hydraulics and simple adjustments rather than his (her) back will go a long ways.
For Northern NY a cabbed Kubota MX with the dual category hitch would be well worth a look.

I can certainly agree with that,
I have used quick hitchs and while they do make some parts of the hooking up easier at times, some times they are worse.
And if the implement in question has a PTO to be hooked up I absolutely no use for a quick hitch.
Trying to reach in or around a quick hitch to attach a PTO shaft is an exercise in aggravation,
not enough room for me and PTO with the quick hitch.
I much prefer either the telescoping links or even better the hook style lift arms;
Lift Arms-Quick Coupling
lift arm.jpg

Attaching Implement
1. Adjust the lift arms to the hitching width for the specific implement by means of stabilizers (A).
2. With lift arms lowered, reverse tractor until the lift arm coupler hooks are below the implement hitch points.
3. Slowly raise lift arms until implement hitch points are engaged in coupler hooks and locked into position.
 
   / Two tractor plan: hitch category considerations #14  
Unless your 2 tractors are similar in HP, each will need equipment sized respectively. Meaning, the big tractor will damage your small disc and the small tractor will not handle the big disc.
Myself, use a 35 hp with backhoe, 7' mower, boxblade, Taylor Pasture Dream planter and irrigation pump. None of this will transfer to big tractor.
85hp has 10' mower, 8' disc, IH end wheel drill, 7200 drawn 4r planter, New Idea supersheller/gravity wagon and 2yd dirtpan. None of this will work on small tractor.
The only thing that is for both is a set of forks and brush bucket that is too big for small tractor and to light for big tractor.
I keep the yard around cabin mowed with small tractor, grade drive, move implements and mow a narrow levee around a duckhole. The bigger tractor stays in the shed until time to plant and harvest the fields, move dirt to maintain levees or moving big things with forks.
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   / Two tractor plan: hitch category considerations #15  
You don't see very many of those older New Idea picker shellers anymore.
It wasn't that many years ago that we were still running a 2 row snapper unit for ear corn.
 
   / Two tractor plan: hitch category considerations #16  
You don't see very many of those older New Idea picker shellers anymore.
It wasn't that many years ago that we were still running a 2 row snapper unit for ear corn.

I ran one over 2-300 acres every fall for a dozen years or more. That's one part of farming I don't miss in the least.
 
   / Two tractor plan: hitch category considerations #17  
I ran one over 2-300 acres every fall for a dozen years or more. That's one part of farming I don't miss in the least.

I can recall being out on the Farmall 400 or the 560 at the end running that snapper all bundled up and that ol russian style cap with the fur lined ear flaps pulled down and snapped under my chin in a snow squall, at least we usually had the heat houser on by then.
Times sure have changed, quite often for the better :drink:
 
   / Two tractor plan: hitch category considerations #18  
Wasn't bad enough to do our hundred or so acres. I shelled another farmers' corn every year and often another odd job came up. Our silo wasn't big enough so we had to save some and refill just before Christmas......
 
   / Two tractor plan: hitch category considerations #19  
I shell less than 50 ac so its not too bad. Not enough to hire a custom cutter or even buy a old junk combine. Works for me for now.
 
   / Two tractor plan: hitch category considerations #20  
You made it sound like anyone with less than a 75hp tractor is just running a garden plot and doesn't need a QH. I bet 90%+ of the members here have less than a 75hp tractor. It's not shameful to want to change from a tiller to a cutter or driveway tender to do other work with your only tractor. Even if it is less than 75hp. A QH makes it easier.
 

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