2210 rebuild fresh start

[Tole]

Can I start my engine with no hydraulic fluid? Or would that cause damage, just want to make sure everything is good and I would hate to have to drain it again.

 

[HoyeTractor]

I, personally, would not unless it was maybe just a very quick test to be sure the engine fired and then off right away. I sure would not run more than a couple seconds. You have a hydraulic pump and a powershift pump that won't like to be ran dry and are both very expensive to replace.

 

[bmaverick]

Can I start my engine with no hydraulic fluid? Or would that cause damage, just want to make sure everything is good and I would hate to have to drain it again.

Before refilling the tractor with Hydraulic fluid that is costly, you can fill it about 3/4 way with diesel and run the tractor. This way, the diesel acts both as a lube and as a cleaner. After about 10 or less mins, you can drain the diesel and refill later with the right fluid.

I take the old diesel and mix it as bar chain oil for the chainsaw. You can even filter the diesel with one of those Mr. Coffee screen sieves and then reuse the diesel too.

I would also caution like Aaron mentioned. Just don't do it.

 

[Tole]

Before refilling the tractor with Hydraulic fluid that is costly, you can fill it about 3/4 way with diesel and run the tractor. This way, the diesel acts both as a lube and as a cleaner. After about 10 or less mins, you can drain the diesel and refill later with the right fluid.

I have seen very mixed thoughts on running diesel fluid. I this really safe?

 

[bmaverick]

I have seen very mixed thoughts on running diesel fluid. I this really safe?

I've done this 2X with my YM2610. No issues. Most if not all the refurb dealers also do this. Ideally, On-Road Diesel with LOW SULFUR works the best. Not K1 Kerosene or Off-Road dyed diesel either.

The clean the reusable hydraulic filter, diesel and a med-toothbrush is used in a 5-gallon bucket.

Others can chime in here too.

 

[CoyPatton]

Aaron said it all well! 2 pumps on that 2210 that you really do not want to run dry. For a short short period just a few minutes, you might be ok with a cheap fluid as a flush, but even then it would be iffy! Compared to the cost of the 2 pumps, 5 gals of fluid even if it is deposed of is cheap!

 

[ovrszd]

Why are you wanting to crank it without fluid? I'm kinda slow.....

 

[Tinhack]

Injector pumps run thousands and thousands of hours without oil. Guess what THEY use for lube.

 

[Tole]

Why are you wanting to crank it without fluid? I'm kinda slow.....

I rebuilt just the bottom end due to the crank breaking while idling in the driveway, not exactly sure why that happened, just want to make sure there are no other anomalies if I can.

 

[ovrszd]

I rebuilt just the bottom end due to the crank breaking while idling in the driveway, not exactly sure why that happened, just want to make sure there are no other anomalies if I can.

Gotcha. And you have to drain the hydraulics to re-open the engine?

 

[bmaverick]

I rebuilt just the bottom end due to the crank breaking while idling in the driveway, not exactly sure why that happened, just want to make sure there are no other anomalies if I can.

WOW. Were there other problems with the crank prior? How did the governor look when you had the bottom apart?

 

[clemsonfor]

I've done this 2X with my YM2610. No issues. Most if not all the refurb dealers also do this. Ideally, On-Road Diesel with LOW SULFUR works the best. Not K1 Kerosene or Off-Road dyed diesel either.

The clean the reusable hydraulic filter, diesel and a med-toothbrush is used in a 5-gallon bucket.

Others can chime in here too.

You realize for like a decade now all on road, off road and home heating oil are all ULSD. They no longer make seperate batches for on and off road. All new off-road stuff which is the lion share that consumes fuel all runs DEF now .

 

[clemsonfor]

You can buy a 5 gallon bucket of "universal tractor fluid" at Tractor supply company for $25. NO WAY would I start my tractor up dry esp a powershift. Buy the cheap oil if all you did was use it as a test oil for whatever your reason is. $25 is worth not destroying a pump. Heck I'd rinse the metal dust and slivers out with diesel and if I filled with that oil would not worry about running it at the normal lube, honestly. But I might spend another $10 more for a little better quality oil.

 

[bmaverick]

You can buy a 5 falling bucket of "universal tractor fluid" at Tractor supply company for $25. NO WAY would I start my tractor up dry esp a powershift. Buy the cheap oil if all you did was use it as a test oil for whatever your reason is. $25 is worth not destroying a pump. Heck I'd rinse the metal dust and slivers out with diesel and if I filled with that oil would not worry about running it at the normal lube, honestly. But I might spend another $10 more for a little better quality oil.

Here is the TSC link and it meets the J20C requirements he needs.

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/p...al-tractor-trans-hydraulic-fluid?cm_vc=-10005

Even at $40 for 5-gallons is saved money vs. ripping the tractor apart.

 

[bmaverick]

You realize for like a decade now all on road, off road and home heating oil are all ULSD. They no longer make seperate batches for on and off road. All new off-road stuff which is the lion share that consumes fuel all runs DEF now .

Well someone is still putting in the red pee color in the off-road diesel.

 

[Tole]

WOW. Were there other problems with the crank prior? How did the governor look when you had the bottom apart?

The only thing I found was the thrust bearings were pretty worn and the rod caps were both on backward. It was literally idling, hard clunk to a dead stop, no issue with the governor.

 

[clemsonfor]

Well someone is still putting in the red pee color in the off-road diesel.

All that is is just a dye. That's to let the highway man know if he pulls you over are you running taxed fuel or not in your truck. The red stains the test strips...and if they got so high as to impound the truck and got a warrant to search it the filters and all will be stained along with all the red fuel in it.

 

[ovrszd]

Well someone is still putting in the red pee color in the off-road diesel.

His point was it's the same fuel, just dyed.

 

[ovrszd]

All that is is just a dye. That's to let the highway man know if he pulls you over are you running taxed fuel or not in your truck. The red stains the test strips...and if they got so high as to impound the truck and got a warrant to search it the filters and all will be stained along with all the red fuel in it.

Sorry, I should have read down. Your response is much better than mine.

 

[California]

The $40 TSC UTF is the cheapest I would (do) run in a Powershift, I think its formulated to reduce foaming and is multigrade. But TSC, Autozone, etc also have 'Yellow Bucket' cheap $25 UTF claimed to be a suitable equivalent to what was used back when these tractors were built. I think it's single weight, not multigrade.

I wouldn't use Yellow Bucket as the long term refill for a powershift. But for a manual transmission tractor only used for puttering around I think its sufficient. I used it for years in the YM240 and put the remainder of the 5 gallons in my (1980's) 3-point backhoe that also specifies UTF.

But the problem with buying this junk oil for a flush, perhaps thinned with diesel, is you will have a couple of gallons unused left over in the bucket. I tried adding it 32:1 as engine fuel. That ran fine but it smells bad like an overheated transmission.

I wouldn't run flushed oil as fuel. There could be microscopic metal debris to cause extreme wear in the injector pump. Take it in where you take used motor oil.

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If you want to start the engine for only a moment without turning the transmission just have somebody hold the clutch pedal down!