John Deere's poor dealership decision making IMO.

[ovrszd]

And if that criteria is above their past performance to a point that meeting it is unreasonably difficult, THAT is being forced out.

Then how does the corporate buyer survive?

Bring a dealer into this conversation that's been forced out?

I'll wait.

 

[two_bit_score]

And if that criteria is above their past performance to a point that meeting it is unreasonably difficult, THAT is being forced out.

The problem, Digger is your use of Unreasonably difficult which varies case to case. The company is not in business to provide a dealer with product to sell just to keep the dealer happy at all cost. The dealer is becoming more a part of the corporate structure.

I have seen it with so many businesses and even professions over the last 20 years especially. Medical practices, law practices, dental, chiro, insurance, auto body shops, salvage auctions, accounting firms, auto dealers, Liquor stores, restaurants, etc.

I knew things were changing in the restaurant business when a Pizza Hut manager started referring to his restaurant as a store. My Dad owned a package store. The cafe next door was not a store except in the eyes of a franchisor. When the aggregators came in they started calling the body shops stores.

Progress, go figure.

 

[Diggin It]

Let's say a location has consistently been doing a million dollars a year in sales and has a satisfied clientele that returns often. Most of their businesses is 10 or 12 certain models.

Corporate comes in and demands they increase their sales to three million and that they begin to stock and sell 20 models they're not at all familiar with and don't have parts in stock for.

Reasonable or not?

 

[ovrszd]

Let's say a location has consistently been doing a million dollars a year in sales and has a satisfied clientele that returns often. Most of their businesses is 10 or 12 certain models.

Corporate comes in and demands they increase their sales to three million and that they begin to stock and sell 20 models they're not at all familiar with and don't have parts in stock for.

Reasonable or not?

If the local market can bear the increase, yes, reasonable. If I owned JD stock I'd be mad as **** if they didn't demand it.

 

[Diggin It]

Y'all keep missing the point. Why mess with a successful business? Why not open a second location with those other models? Let the two specialize in what they know and the customers they know. They already do it with Ag and Construction. Why not have an AG store separate from the family owned L&G and small tractor store?

 

[ovrszd]

Y'all keep missing the point. Why mess with a successful business? Why not open a second location with those other models? Let the two specialize in what they know and the customers they know. They already do it with Ag and Construction. Why not have an AG store separate from the family owned L&G and small tractor store?

I'm not sure what to say.

1. They are not as successful as they can be so lose market share.

2. Open a second JD store in the same area as Mom and Pop? Now that would be cruel and they would painfully starve out.

3. We are talking about AG and Construction.

4. JD is a do all store. Mine has lawn tractors along with sxs, large AG, combines, tillage equipment, CTLs, brush cutters, planters, weed eaters, push mowers, kid's pedal tractors, JD caps, large stock of JD parts, large selection of bolts/hardware, large stock of hydraulic fittings/ hoses and competent mechanics, sales persons, parts experts and a finance expert.

What would your Mom/Pop store offer?

 

[ultrarunner]

I think it's time I stopped at some of those mega stores...

My closest dealers serve big AG and the Kubota Dealer carries lots of stock and parts but that is it.

In WA state the dealer also sells full line Honda equipment, Stihl and Echo plus Snapper and more...

My guess is there are regional differences...

 

[5030]

I'm not sure what to say.

1. They are not as successful as they can be so lose market share.

2. Open a second JD store in the same area as Mom and Pop? Now that would be cruel and they would painfully starve out.

3. We are talking about AG and Construction.

4. JD is a do all store. Mine has lawn tractors along with sxs, large AG, combines, tillage equipment, CTLs, brush cutters, planters, weed eaters, push mowers, kid's pedal tractors, JD caps, large stock of JD parts, large selection of bolts/hardware, large stock of hydraulic fittings/ hoses and competent mechanics, sales persons, parts experts and a finance expert.

What would your Mom/Pop store offer?

Ours is exactly the same right down to the pedal tractors but, they have 7 stores and put the local mom and pop JD dealer out of business or should I say JD pulled their franchise. My Kubota dealer, same boat. Was a CNH dealer and CNH pulled the plug on their franchise which isn't all bad, I think they do better with Kubota actually. They still get CNH parts but cannot sell new machines. Not so good with the other CNH dealer east of me. CNH pulled their franchise and they had zip to fall back on and almost went **** up but landed a Kioti franchise and sell Kioti now. I know the owners personally and it was just plain corporate rotten. In fact it caused health issues for the one partner who was worried about his employees. terrible way to do business.

My Kubota dealer is the old school mom and pop store, right down to the worn glass counter and stuff sitting everywhere. No AC, no fancy counters, no glitzy salesmen, just honest hard working country folk. Just the way I like it. Everything is done on a handshake. Bought my last 2 Kubota's that way. Never signed any papers until they were delivered.

Too bad that business ethic is becoming rare today.

 

[Industrial Toys]

GREED and STUPIDITY seem to rule the day.

Heard some local Hundai Dealership Ads. Customers are now reffered to as GUESTS! What's wrong with this world?

 

[ultrarunner]

Grandfather started in the car business back in the 20's and throughout his career well into the 1970's he insisted his sales staff list home phone number on business card saying it was all about trust... he personally also listed his home address... about as old school as you can get...

 

[two_bit_score]

Grandfather started in the car business back in the 20's and throughout his career well into the 1970's he insisted his sales staff list home phone number on business card saying it was all about trust... he personally also listed his home address... about as old school as you can get...

Even as late as the 1970’s almost everyone in town was listed in the phone book.

 

[two_bit_score]

Let's say a location has consistently been doing a million dollars a year in sales and has a satisfied clientele that returns often. Most of their businesses is 10 or 12 certain models.

Corporate comes in and demands they increase their sales to three million and that they begin to stock and sell 20 models they're not at all familiar with and don't have parts in stock for.

Reasonable or not?

How do you know that’s the way they do it? Basically, you don’t. You’re just making up a scenario to fit your narrative.

If you know so much about how it all works you should know some dealers who got forced out under those terms. Get them to jump in here and give their side.

 

[ovrszd]

Ours is exactly the same right down to the pedal tractors but, they have 7 stores and put the local mom and pop JD dealer out of business or should I say JD pulled their franchise. My Kubota dealer, same boat. Was a CNH dealer and CNH pulled the plug on their franchise which isn't all bad, I think they do better with Kubota actually. They still get CNH parts but cannot sell new machines. Not so good with the other CNH dealer east of me. CNH pulled their franchise and they had zip to fall back on and almost went **** up but landed a Kioti franchise and sell Kioti now. I know the owners personally and it was just plain corporate rotten. In fact it caused health issues for the one partner who was worried about his employees. terrible way to do business.

My Kubota dealer is the old school mom and pop store, right down to the worn glass counter and stuff sitting everywhere. No AC, no fancy counters, no glitzy salesmen, just honest hard working country folk. Just the way I like it. Everything is done on a handshake. Bought my last 2 Kubota's that way. Never signed any papers until they were delivered.

Too bad that business ethic is becoming rare today.

My closest Kubota dealer, 40 miles away, is a family ran store that's been in business since the early 70's. Started as an AC/Gleaner dealer. As times have changed they have too. Whatever it takes to stay afloat. They now sell MF and Kubota. The Kubota line saved them. They also are dealers for several AG Equipment manufacturers.

I'm very proud of them for their survival instincts.

 

[zzvyb6]

What is so funny to me in ALL these comments is how so many writers are looking for the cheapest possible tractors, parts, services and brag about their Som Ting Wong brand machinery imported from China, Pakistan, Antarctica, or Terra del Fuego. But they are not interested in preserving a local dealer, company or family business.

OF course, THEN they whine on and on and on and on about how their own job got shipped off to overseas or just got lame ducked out of existence.

Now look at the proces of everything as our printed paper money without any backing is driving up the proces and costs of food, tractors, cars, lumber, and anything that had traditional value.

Notice that there now is a shortage of nuts and bolts, deck screws, batteries and other necessities ? OK, so overseas manufacturing can use any sort of polluting materials, paints, chemicals and labor laws they wish because they need new aircraft carriers, fighter jets, hypersonic missiles and super computers. Meanwhile, most teens have no skills other that texting with both hands at 200 words per minute. And all they text is the middle word guessed by the texting program on their phone.

When are farmers going to riot and stop food deliveries to certain cities is my question. Shut of food, water, cell towers and roadways then issue hunting licenses to help them with their problems .

 

[5030]

My closest Kubota dealer, 40 miles away, is a family ran store that's been in business since the early 70's. Started as an AC/Gleaner dealer. As times have changed they have too. Whatever it takes to stay afloat. They now sell MF and Kubota. The Kubota line saved them. They also are dealers for several AG Equipment manufacturers.

I'm very proud of them for their survival instincts.

I probably should have added, I won't do business with any other dealer but them and I purchase no aftermarket parts. Everything I buy from filters to hard parts comes from them with the exception of lubricants. Those come from my local jobber.

 

[5030]

"What is so funny to me in ALL these comments is how so many writers are looking for the cheapest possible tractors, parts, services and brag about their Som Ting Wong brand machinery imported from China, Pakistan, Antarctica, or Terra del Fuego. But they are not interested in preserving a local dealer, company or family business."

That is mostly correct. We now live in a 'I want it cheap, want it now and want to whine if I cannot get it that way' society.

Problem is, cheap and now don't work well together.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

What is so funny to me in ALL these comments is how so many writers are looking for the cheapest possible tractors, parts, services and brag about their Som Ting Wong brand machinery imported from China, Pakistan, Antarctica, or Terra del Fuego. But they are not interested in preserving a local dealer, company or family business.

OF course, THEN they whine on and on and on and on about how their own job got shipped off to overseas or just got lame ducked out of existence.

Now look at the proces of everything as our printed paper money without any backing is driving up the proces and costs of food, tractors, cars, lumber, and anything that had traditional value.

Notice that there now is a shortage of nuts and bolts, deck screws, batteries and other necessities ? OK, so overseas manufacturing can use any sort of polluting materials, paints, chemicals and labor laws they wish because they need new aircraft carriers, fighter jets, hypersonic missiles and super computers. Meanwhile, most teens have no skills other that texting with both hands at 200 words per minute. And all they text is the middle word guessed by the texting program on their phone.

When are farmers going to riot and stop food deliveries to certain cities is my question. Shut of food, water, cell towers and roadways then issue hunting licenses to help them with their problems .

I believe most of our economic theories align.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

This is just a question and I'm not looking to pick a fight.

To those of you who lament the loss of your local small family owned dealership (of any kind), do you support them with your business? Do you buy incidentals such as oil, filters, belts, batteries etc from them or do you seek out the lowest price at your nearest big box auto parts store or discount department store or on line?

Not supporting your local dealer is part of the problem, no?

Yes, I do not use off brand parts or fluids.

 

[Industrial Toys]

If there was some kind of contract that you would sign, between dealer and customer, that guaranteed you something in future, for supporting, their higher prices today, but there isn't and besides, that's unrealistic. So People, will largly seek out the lowest prices today.

I like John Deere, but when a 6" splined shaft for an E-GAtor Axle costs $1200.00 (Or something like that), and a two dollar bearing costs forty, forgive, me if I don't have warm and fuzzy feelings about my local Dealership (Or any other). They are gouging the customer for every penny they can get.


I only use OEM filters. No guarantee that just because a filter fits, it meets the right filtration standards. Also, I have seen some utterly attrocious filter disections of some name-brand filters. GARBAGE, pure and simple!

Fortunately, filters at dealerships are not that expensive, probably only because of the competition. If it were not for that, they would probbly cost five times as much!

 

[JWR]

AGCO hydraulic filters for my MF2660 run about $80 with tax. I paid it once, having bought it without asking the price first (from a dealer.) Never again.