Questions about new purchase

[eubie5]

Well, the time is now. Just sold my 17yr old bx1800. 1st guy who came and looked at it loaded it up. Now, I really need to get serious.
Been to all the local dealers, and I think I've gotten all their best prices. I think I'm leaning going back with Kubota. I also emailed several dealers from out of state. 1 in Alabama and 1 in Tennessee. The 2 from out of state beat my local dealer by almost $3000. How is that possible? My local dealer has a large dealership, with about 5 stores in the neighboring county's. I'm sure he sells alot of tractors.
Also, the 2 out of state say I don't pay any sales taxes. Does that mean I have to pay my own state a tax? When would I do that? I will ask both of them tmrw, just thought I'd ask here tonight, just to see if this sounds correct.
Anyone else by a tractor long distance? Not once in 17 years was my old bx in for service, not sure how I feel about not having a customer relationship with the local dealer.
Also, I emailed messicks for a quote, and he wouldn't give me one, recommended I stay with my local dealership. He said if there's ever a recall on the machine, "only the selling dealer can do the recall work".
I've never known that, either.
Sorry for all the rambling, it's way past my bedtime, and I have to be up in about 4.5 hours to go to work.

 

[Turbys_1700]

Out of state purchases typically do not have the sales tax added to the unit. In most cases states do not have the mechanisms in place to collect taxes from purchases out of state for tractors and items not requiring a registration. It is up to the consumer to pay the state sales tax. The other issue is service and warranty work. You local dealer will service and most likely warranty your unit but you will be in the back of the line over customers that have purchased their units from them.

 

[JOHNTHOMAS]

You local dealer will service and most likely warranty your unit but you will be in the back of the line over customers that have purchased their units from them.
May or may not be true. You left area to buy a tractor and have made more than one tractor purchase so a wise selling dealer would try to be there to sell you the next purchase and keep your business for supplies and future off warranty repairs, if they are wise business person instead of personally getting offended at someone shopping around as they themselves probably do. Steve Barlow said he will go pick up a major warranty repair for a unit he has sold out of state and send parts for any easy customer replaceable item as well as give dhone assistance. Most dealers will not discuss the local state tax issue with you other than tell you they don't charge taxes for out of state sales. Kubota had a recall on lids for radiator overflow tanks and they mailed me two lids and even contacted Barlows to ensure I had gotten the lids since they said they had not rec'd a reply back from me that I had gotten them.I've bought 26 Kubotas from Barlows and only a couple evevr needed any follow up warranty work and only one ever had ot be returned to the dealer and I think I probably caused the issue myself many years ago.

 

[eubie5]

You local dealer will service and most likely warranty your unit but you will be in the back of the line over customers that have purchased their units from them.
May or may not be true. You left area to buy a tractor and have made more than one tractor purchase so a wise selling dealer would try to be there to sell you the next purchase and keep your business for supplies and future off warranty repairs, if they are wise business person instead of personally getting offended at someone shopping around as they themselves probably do. Steve Barlow said he will go pick up a major warranty repair for a unit he has sold out of state and send parts for any easy customer replaceable item as well as give dhone assistance. Most dealers will not discuss the local state tax issue with you other than tell you they don't charge taxes for out of state sales. Kubota had a recall on lids for radiator overflow tanks and they mailed me two lids and even contacted Barlows to ensure I had gotten the lids since they said they had not rec'd a reply back from me that I had gotten them.I've bought 26 Kubotas from Barlows and only a couple evevr needed any follow up warranty work and only one ever had ot be returned to the dealer and I think I probably caused the issue myself many years ago.

i appreciate your reply, but after buying 26 tractors from dealer, of course he's going above and beyond. ****, he should send you and the mrs's on a cruise. in all seriousness, barlow's has shot me the best quote yet. it's amazing the difference in prices from 1 dealer to the next. barlow's is only about 2.5 hours away, which isn't tooo bad, if i actually had to return tractor to dealership. the 17 years i've had my other kubota, not once was it in the shop. i did all the maintenance,and any issues that did come up, between the dealer, google, and youtube, i was able to fix things myself. i say all that, and my next tractor will have all sorts of problems. just the way my luck runs. i'm definitely going back to local dealer, in person, to see how much better the deal can be

 

[Citydude]

I bought a tractor in Wyoming and had it delivered to South Dakota thus owing use taxes to South Dakota. I found the tax information on South Dakotas government web page and called their department of revenue to confirm what I owed. Being that the dealer wasn't responsible for taxes, he wasn't very knowledgeable on the subject.

 

[eubie5]

I bought a tractor in Wyoming and had it delivered to South Dakota thus owing use taxes to South Dakota. I found the tax information on South Dakotas government web page and called their department of revenue to confirm what I owed. Being that the dealer wasn't responsible for taxes, he wasn't very knowledgeable on the subject.

yes, everything i'm reading says you DO have to pay the sales tax. i guess, if you go and pick it up yourself, the state you live in wouldn't know you bought it. then it becomes the honor system. but, if i owe the taxes, i'll pay the taxes. don't want the man knocking on my door 2 years later with a tax bill and penalties.

 

[Citydude]

yes, everything i'm reading says you DO have to pay the sales tax. i guess, if you go and pick it up yourself, the state you live in wouldn't know you bought it. then it becomes the honor system. but, if i owe the taxes, i'll pay the taxes. don't want the man knocking on my door 2 years later with a tax bill and penalties.

Same here. Paying the tax was easier than the worrying about the "what ifs".

 

[jeff9366]

Any highway inspection station that a common carrier passes through has the right to inspect and copy bills of lading. There is a regular procedure to send copies to the state department of revenue. Not often done, but sometimes.

My wife purchased discount furniture from a source in North Carolina, fifteen years ago. The bills of lading were copied at a Florida highway inspection station and we received a tax invoice from Florida for about $700 ten days after our North Carolina furniture was delivered. No fine, probably because tax notice arrived within the window when we could have self-declared our sales tax (actually "use tax") obligation. The Florida use tax notice gave us ten days to pay the $700. We/I paid immediately.

 

[PILOON]

While not up on trans state taxing I am somewhat on Can/Us as it was back a few years.
If and when they 'catch' you the new tax is double what it should have been plus another 'tax amt' as the penalty.
True trans border has customs and therefore easier to track.

In Canada to prove exempt tax collection a bill of lading or a post office receipt is needed to exempt the vendor from collecting the local tax.

With something like a vehicle the vendor would need to actually ship via a common carrier and retain the bill of lading to prove the 'out of state' sale.
If U were to pick up with your trailer he would need to collect his state tax.

 

[mopardude318]

Maybe you can get away with AG tax which is less. I was surprised about that in Ca when I bought a $50K tractor tax was only about $1500. Granted I live on a ranch and my mother in law leases 60 acres of vineyards, so I was able to do that.

I would go to the other state and save $3k if it were me. No dealer will deny warranty or service.

 

[fruitcakesa]

Ag equipment here is not taxed and the dealer I bought my used M from allowed me to use my business tax number to avoid paying LST.
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[JOHNTHOMAS]

i'm definitely going back to local dealer, in person, to see how much better the deal can be.......I would always do this knowing they pay the same price for the Kubota tractor they are selling you as all other Kubota dealers. I'd maybe pay $300 more for a local over a near distant delivering dealer.:2cents: But probably not much over $300 because above that I'd have to question how valuable of a customer/person/individual I am to them and them knowing I'm just a local guy like them trying to make a living just like them. If they told me they have to pay more for the Kubota tractor I'd smile and walk out the door and if they got sort of hateful or act offended I'd not smile and walk out he door. Again just my :2cents:

 

[looch]

I throw the local guy a bone when I can but I don't believe for a minute that by doing so I have established some sort of personal relationship. It's business. Likewise, if your machine needs service they'd be nuts to turn it away because you didn't buy it there - is your money not green? As far as warranty work is concerned, in the unlikely event that they gave me a hard time I'd be on the phone to Kubota. If it makes you sheepish, tell them you just moved from out of state.

 

[eubie5]

it absolutely wouldn't make me sheepish. i had just never heard that, and was surprised when someone at Messicks said that was the case.

 

[eubie5]

Maybe you can get away with AG tax which is less. I was surprised about that in Ca when I bought a $50K tractor tax was only about $1500. Granted I live on a ranch and my mother in law leases 60 acres of vineyards, so I was able to do that.

I would go to the other state and save $3k if it were me. No dealer will deny warranty or service.

Surprised you're the only one to say that. that's how i've been feeling. plus, my last kubota was never in the shop for the 17 years i owned it. of course, i probably just jinxed myself

 

[4570Man]

Locally if you have a farm card which I’m not exactly sure what you have to do to qualify you can buy machinery and other farm related stuff tax exempt. Maybe you’re “supposed” to pay an out of state use tax or whatever but there’s no method of enforcing or collecting that. Most people don’t even know about it. They make up enough funds from wrongfully collecting tax on used vehicles to make up for out of state equipment sales.

 

[Atchuuu]

I am really shocked that Messick's said that only the selling dealer can handle recalls. If true this is absolutely unacceptable. What if you move to another state after purchase? What if it is a safety issue? You mean Kubota and their dealer network wash their hands of the issue? I don't think so.

It amazes me how many people seem to get a better deal by dealing with out of state dealers. Seems like a dealer would want to take care of the locals at least as well, if not better, than someone out of state.

 

[Atchuuu]

Your post reminds me of a purchase of two Jet Ski's years ago. Local dealer was significantly more than two other dealers. One was an hour away the other was 2.5 hours away. I asked the dealer if they could match. They straight out told me they were insulted that I would even consider buying outside the area. Refused to negotiate on "principle" and told me that I would not be priority if I ever needed service, warranty or otherwise.

Too bad for them. I would have paid a little more to do business locally but the question is why should I? Two other dealers could make the deal and had better service. Why should I pay more?

Couple years later I needed some regular maintenance and didn't want to drive an hour so I took it to the local shop. I was priority because they had so little business. The job got done but the customer service was as bad as I remembered. Shortly afterwards they went out of business.

So had I paid significantly more to use a local company it would have been a total waste of money. They are out of business.

 

[WM75Guy]

I try to use local dealers as long as the deal is reasonable and service is good. If the local can't match or get close then I will buy out of town. Same goes for service, if needed I will go out of town if it is better for me. I have the ability to trailer and my time is pretty cheap so a 1-2 hour round trip is worth it if it saves me money.

 

[eubie5]

I am really shocked that Messick's said that only the selling dealer can handle recalls. If true this is absolutely unacceptable. What if you move to another state after purchase? What if it is a safety issue? You mean Kubota and their dealer network wash their hands of the issue? I don't think so.

It amazes me how many people seem to get a better deal by dealing with out of state dealers. Seems like a dealer would want to take care of the locals at least as well, if not better, than someone out of state.

I looked back through my emails and that's exactly what he said.

"If you are picking up then we can quote it, but you would be surprised how many people we quote for and then seem surprised that there is shipping involved. the other reason we recommend going to your local* dealer is if there are ever any recalls on the unit you are responsible for getting back here for the work to be done because only the selling dealer can do recall work."

That's a copy/paste of part of the email. I'm not going to post his name, but was surprised at what he had to say.