Exolain grappler to me

[1930]

I dont undertand why I cannot buy a root rake/grappler and hook up the same hydraulics that my FEL would use.

Why do I need to buy a special kit and plumb in more hydraulic lines?

Why are the kits so expensive, what in the kits that add up to many many hundreds of dollars?

Help me to understand what I do not understand. Thanks

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Because a grapple goes on the FEL in addition. You still need your basic fel controls, now you add a third function, clamping, hence the term, 3rd function.

 

[1930]

Because a grapple goes on the FEL in addition. You still need your basic fel controls, now you add a third function, clamping, hence the term, 3rd function.

I see. I did not know this but clear now.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Fyi for your info page, bush hog is a brand name, they are rotary mowers.

 

[Bigfoot62]

You can run the grapple lines to a rear SCV, (auxiliary hydraulic valve) if your tractor has one.

 

[1930]

Fyi for your info page, bush hog is a brand name, they are rotary mowers.

I have one that came with my first tractor

You can run the grapple lines to a rear SCV, (auxiliary hydraulic valve) if your tractor has one.

Mine will have one Im assuming cause it is being equipped with a backhoe.

Im guessing thats not all thats needed though?

 

[1930]

https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/hydraulics/397654-routing-john-deere-scv-rear-3.html

run the grapple lines to a rear SCV

 

[TheMadOne]

I have one that came with my first tractor

Mine will have one Im assuming cause it is being equipped with a backhoe.

Im guessing thats not all thats needed though?

Actually, no. The backhoe is connected to power beyond, which id different than a rear selective control valve.(scv). Power beyond delivers the full flow of the pump, without restriction, to the backhoe. The backhoe has its own valves that regulate the flow to the cylinders and back to the tractor.

You need a control valve, either a solenoid valve, which is what a third function uses, or a scv.

Once you have a valve then you need to run hydraulic lines. Hydraulic hose and fittings are expensive.

 

[mcfarmall]

Kits are expensive because the components are expensive. A precision double acting solenoid valve and subplate, hoses, hose ends, joystick handle with button, all this stuff costs money.

 

[oosik]

Those are good questions. On your tractor - the first hydraulic function= raise/lower the FEL arms - the second hydraulic function= dip or raise whatever is attached to the end of the FEL( bucket, forks, grapple, etc) - the third hydraulic function= open/close the jaws of a grapple.

The third function valve is expensive because it is a fairly unique accessory. Same as adding additional SCV to the rear of the tractor.

 

[kennyd]

The only cheap things in Hydraulics are o-rings and advice here LOL.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

The only cheap things in Hydraulics are o-rings and advice here LOL.

AND, even the 0 rings aren't cheap, if you need the flat sided ones!! lol

SR

 

[buckeyefarmer]

The only cheap things in Hydraulics are o-rings and advice here LOL.

Yep, lol
KennyD, How's things up the road in westminster? Lol

 

[kennyd]

Yep, lol
KennyD, How's things up the road in westminster? Lol

Fantastic sir, thanks!

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Fantastic sir, thanks!

I'm not far away, lol

 

[1930]

Is anyone here aware of any good step by step instructions for what exactly is needed and why its needed to get that 3rd function installed on the tractor?

If I new exactly what was needed and why it was needed than I could start looking into collecting the parts. Understanding why it was needed/its function/how it worked would help me to make a better decision on parts.

 

[/pine]

Is anyone here aware of any good step by step instructions for what exactly is needed and why its needed to get that 3rd function installed on the tractor?

If I new exactly what was needed and why it was needed than I could start looking into collecting the parts. Understanding why it was needed/its function/how it worked would help me to make a better decision on parts.

Navigate to this page and scroll down past the first 4 or 5 paid placements and begin reading...there are at least 10 pages of on topic discussion...

Search Results - TractorByNet

 

[1930]

Navigate to this page and scroll down past the first 4 or 5 paid placements and begin reading...there are at least 10 pages of on topic discussion...

Search Results - TractorByNet

Thanks, I figured there would one post or topic somewhere that covered rather than weeding thru 10 pages.

 

[/pine]

Thanks, I figured there would one post or topic somewhere that covered rather than weeding thru 10 pages.

They were ten pages of on topic discussions etc...not every installation on every type and size of a tractor is the same...what you call "weeding through" is actually called doing research and gleaning bits and pieces of valuable experience from those that have actually installed the valve etc...you can learn a heck of a lot from someone doing even a remotely similar installation even on a completely different make, model and size of a tractor...even one mistake avoided or an advantage that can be utilized is worth some time spent reading before the fact...
...you may find a hand holding, baby step description for your exact model tractor but you'll have to do some research to find one...

 

[1930]

They were ten pages of on topic discussions etc...not every installation on every type and size of a tractor is the same...what you call "weeding through" is actually called doing research and gleaning bits and pieces of valuable experience from those that have actually installed the valve etc...you can learn a heck of a lot from someone doing even a remotely similar installation even on a completely different make, model and size of a tractor...even one mistake avoided or an advantage that can be utilized is worth some time spent reading before the fact...
...you may find a hand holding, baby step description for your exact model tractor but you'll have to do some research to find one...

You are correct, I spend a lot of time gleaning bitsnpieces on the net.

Anyway no matter at this point, my dealer is installing and so one thing less to have to master.