Garage/pole barn blueprints

[Junkman]

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I assume that Junkman is busting my stones, but if you want the table plans give me an email address. The table will last you forever.

Having been on these boards for a few weeks, its becoming obvious what happens when newer members express opinions that the older members don't like. )</font>
I am an older member and I don't hassle people when I disagree with their opinions, even if they are wrong. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
As for the plans, I am serious about wanting a copy of them. I wouldn't ask if I didn't feel that they were worth considering. I am old, but still young enough to learn. Besides I need a lot of outdoor furniture for the new deck. It is in the final phase... this section is 38' X 18'... more wood than I want to handle.. ... .... /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif I didn't have to have plans to build the deck, just money to pay for the permit. The building inspector called about 6 months after I purchased the permit and asked what stage I was at and if it might be finished. I told him that I had the piers in. A year later he called and I told him that I had the framing done.... well almost... This year I am finally planning on finishing it. I don't believe that a deck should be rushed. I started the main part of the deck 15 years ago. Life is too short to rush... besides, it gives me something to look forward to working on every summer.... Thanks to DYI Guy, I am making major headway towards completion.... sure goes a lot faster when you have a second pair of hands.... especially when the second pair of hands know what they are doing.... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif I had the wrong settings on the camera, so everything looks blue.... /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

 

[jdmar]

Bullfrog,

that was one cool link. I went to the Canadian sight and directly downloaded some Adope plan details fora gambrel roofed barn...very detailed. WOW! It is on my list of links.

And I agree that some form of a plan is a great thing. Carter Lumber in this area (Ohio) also has free plans and detailed material lists. They will even deliver the whole thing to your place...including nails,flashing, roofing....scoop to nuts.

Peter

 

[fried1765]

I know that this is a 14 year old thread....but here goes.

I want to build a 28 x 36 saltbox garage with a front facing 10x10 ovhd door, and 2- front facing 8x10 ovhd doors.
I need to have a CUSTOM plan drawn for this to apply for a permit.


Anybody have a contact for CUSTOM drawn garage plans?

 

[EddieWalker]

Not sure what you mean by a "custom" plan. Some locations require an engineered plan that has a stamp on it from the engineer that proves it meets code for your area and that it's designed to withstand the weather in your area. The only way to achieve this is to go to somebody local who does this. A draftsman might be able to come up with something, but wont be able to provide the stamp. It's worth contacting a draftsman to see if they have a way to get the stamp because they are always going to be cheaper then dealing with an architect or an engineer. Some of them work together, so one takes the time to do the drawing, which they have probably done hundreds of already, and the engineer puts his stamp on it after reviewing it.

 

[Streetcar]

Cost should be similar if you contact the draftsman or engineer. Engineer has to check loads and calculation either way

 

[fried1765]

Not sure what you mean by a "custom" plan. Some locations require an engineered plan that has a stamp on it from the engineer that proves it meets code for your area and that it's designed to withstand the weather in your area. The only way to achieve this is to go to somebody local who does this. A draftsman might be able to come up with something, but wont be able to provide the stamp. It's worth contacting a draftsman to see if they have a way to get the stamp because they are always going to be cheaper then dealing with an architect or an engineer. Some of them work together, so one takes the time to do the drawing, which they have probably done hundreds of already, and the engineer puts his stamp on it after reviewing it.

"custom" to mean someone who will provide a 28' x 36' saltbox design with a front wall that will accommodate 3-10' wide doors.
The front wall will have specific design requirements since it will be 11' high, and there will be only 17" between doors.
I am not certain that these requirements can even be met, and still comply with code.
Thus the need for "custom" design/consultation.
I do have a CE degree, but got that 57 years ago, and never practiced in the field.
I have a roommate from that era who is a retired PE, so if I need it, getting a stamp will not be a problem.

 

[Cord]

Cost should be similar if you contact the draftsman or engineer. Engineer has to check loads and calculation either way

I totally disagree. A "draftsman" does not have a license and is probably doing this as side work because they don't have a license. An Engineer is a licensed professional and as such has a substantially higher overhead. License fees, continuing education requirements and insurance are all costs the draftsman does not bear.

 

[Cord]

The problem with your short walls will be the lack of shear. Simpson has some pre-engineered designs that would work very nicely in this application. You can also have a lumberyard size the headers, but all manufacturers also have this data available as well. What you are looking for is an "empirical" design. In other words, you are not designing for this specific application, but using calculations that are known to work for a similar application. ie the design is for a single story house that is 24' wide. Your garage is also single story, but it's only 20' deep so we know the header will work. The city will be looking for the supporting calculations to show that you are not just wagging this and based the member sized on some determined value.

Be aware that they may also want a survey to show where the property lines are.

 

[jfh28]

If I understand you correctly you want an 11' high wall with over 83% of it as an open void for the doors leaving literally nothing for structural stability to counter the longitudinal loads of the building......you don't need someone to "draw" the plans you need someone to "design" the plans......if it's located in the northeast then you are most likely dealing with the IBC and will have to account for snow loads as well as potential earthquake reactions......like it or not thats in the codes now.....and if it's in florida then you're dealing with hurricane force wind loading which is a whole different ball game......of course it's possible to do but there will be a cost to it.....more then likely you will have steel in that front wall with custom designed connection details.......find yourself a local architect/engineer.......you need their expertise not their stamp.........Jack

 

[fried1765]

If I understand you correctly you want an 11' high wall with over 83% of it as an open void for the doors leaving literally nothing for structural stability to counter the longitudinal loads of the building......you don't need someone to "draw" the plans you need someone to "design" the plans......if it's located in the northeast then you are most likely dealing with the IBC and will have to account for snow loads as well as potential earthquake reactions......like it or not thats in the codes now.....and if it's in florida then you're dealing with hurricane force wind loading which is a whole different ball game......of course it's possible to do but there will be a cost to it.....more then likely you will have steel in that front wall with custom designed connection details.......find yourself a local architect/engineer.......you need their expertise not their stamp.........Jack

Yep Jack.... my choice of the word "draw" was not a good one.
Probably hasn't been an earthquake in the area since sometime prior to the ice age.
30 psf roof loading is normal design for the area.
Though a Northern location, it is in a coastal area, so 140 mph gust rated trusses will be required.

 

[Streetcar]

I totally disagree. A "draftsman" does not have a license and is probably doing this as side work because they don't have a license. An Engineer is a licensed professional and as such has a substantially higher overhead. License fees, continuing education requirements and insurance are all costs the draftsman does not bear.

The building needs designed so the engineer will charge their fee for that. With further thought, the engineer should be cheaper because draftsman plans may need significant revisions after the design is made

 

[jfh28]

Yep Jack.... my choice of the word "draw" was not a good one.
Probably hasn't been an earthquake in the area since sometime prior to the ice age.
30 psf roof loading is normal design for the area.
Though a Northern location, it is in a coastal area, so 140 mph gust rated trusses will be required.

yeah we haven't had an earthquake in that long either......but the code still requires that it be accounted for in the design......not california strong but accounted for in the connections and shear walls.......since you are in a coastal area you will need to talk to your local building official to see what wind loads you will need to use in the design as the wind map in the codes won't account for local variances.......and that 140 mph wind won't just be applied to the roof but also perpendicular to the wall.......which makes your front wall with the openings even more vulnerable to lateral loads......Jack

 

[fried1765]

yeah we haven't had an earthquake in that long either......but the code still requires that it be accounted for in the design......not california strong but accounted for in the connections and shear walls.......since you are in a coastal area you will need to talk to your local building official to see what wind loads you will need to use in the design as the wind map in the codes won't account for local variances.......and that 140 mph wind won't just be applied to the roof but also perpendicular to the wall.......which makes your front wall with the openings even more vulnerable to lateral loads......Jack

It appears that even the Simpson Strong Tie system will not work for a 17" or 18" wall section that is 11' tall.
I will likely change to the wall height divided by 3-1/2 calculation. That would mean front wall sections will need to be a minimum of 35" wide.
To keep overall length at 36' I will need to abandon the 3 door concept, and go to one 16' wide door, and one 10' wide door.

I find many code requirements to be absolutely absurd.
In the same town as the proposed garage; I own, and still use, the house I was raised in, a 288 year 28'x36' house that my parents bought in 1932.
Four main bowed rafters (they were ship builders), with purlins, and wide roof boards run vertically; rafters/collar ties pegged together.
It has stood proudly on the same open, windy, coastal hill for 288 years.
How many hurricanes has it been through?
I am thinking I should tear it down immediately,.... to build something safe .....TO CODE ..... OF COURSE !!!!

Oh..... and in 1730, the house was built from used (salt works) lumber.....not grade stamped SPF!
Scary, isn't it ???

 

[fried1765]

As I tried to imply in the previous post, I didn't intend for my reply to be demeaning or such. I believe that a person with reasonable knowledge or experience in construction can do this job with minimal outside guidance. If that is beyond the individual's capabilities they will probably be better off to hire the job done, as it is very easy to make costly mistakes. Whatever the situation is, I wish good luck to the poster in his project!

No COMPLETE (engineer stamped) set of plans?
Our local building inspector would laugh you right out of his office!

 

[prichard]

Our county got more strict recently - they now require you submit drawings on 8.5x11" paper. They originally told "drawings would be nice".

Now, this is for self-build, I'm sure they are a little more serious with contractors. I also have to get inspected and meet code but so far it has been contracted inspectors not the county inspectors and they barely look at anything.

 

[fried1765]

Our county got more strict recently - they now require you submit drawings on 8.5x11" paper. They originally told "drawings would be nice".

Now, this is for self-build, I'm sure they are a little more serious with contractors. I also have to get inspected and meet code but so far it has been contracted inspectors not the county inspectors and they barely look at anything.

A lot just depends on where you live.

 

[prichard]

Yes it does. It was a factor in buying this land. I knew I would build the house myself and wanted a county that is not a royal pain to deal with.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

You looking for framed building or post frame design?
Only your county can tell you if stamped plans are required. Once you have that info ( usually found online) then you know how to proceed.
In my are of MD, only trusses require a stamp. I designed, drafted my house, garage and barn plans.
Most post frame companies will provide stamped plans for around $300 fee.

 

[fried1765]

You looking for framed building or post frame design?
Only your county can tell you if stamped plans are required. Once you have that info ( usually found online) then you know how to proceed.
In my are of MD, only trusses require a stamp. I designed, drafted my house, garage and barn plans.
Most post frame companies will provide stamped plans for around $300 fee.

A framed building,..... in a coastal hurricane zone.
I need to use Simpson Strong Tie shear walls (or similar) for narrow front wall sections between overhead doors, to comply with gust load requirements.
It matters not what another other city or municipality may allow.
I must comply with my individual town requirements.
County has absolutely no jurisdiction.

 

[fried1765]

Yes it does. It was a factor in buying this land. I knew I would build the house myself and wanted a county that is not a royal pain to deal with.

I didn't get to make the location choice.
My parents made the choice in 1932 ......eight years before I was born.