Hi, my name is George, I am a DIYer. (Long)

/ Hi, my name is George, I am a DIYer. (Long) #1  

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For a long time I have taken pride in doing most things that I can do myself. I do most of my car and tractor repair work. I do pretty much all of the plumbing repairs in my 90 year old house. I built my own log cabin (kit) 16 years ago. Some of this is being a tight wad and not wanting to pay anyone else to do it. I also hate paying for shoddy work. My shoddy work is free. I've always felt a man should be able to do these sorts of things.

The older I get (55) and the more I do, the more I realize that DIY really isn't all its cracked up to be. I think it is a disease. And for clarification, I'm not talking about anyone who is in a situation in which DIY is the only option. I'm talking about those of us who choose to do it even when we don't have to.

All of this came to me as an epiphany this last weekend. Story follows. Stick with me. You'll get a laugh.

My wife has a wonderful Infiniti G37 sport coupe with manual transmission. I love it. It needed new brake pads. For some background, I drive a 350Z on track. It is a very similar car. When you track a car you learn how to work on brakes. I've rebuilt the Brembo brakes on the Z, added stainless steel brake lines etc. And I can usually change smoking hot brake pads in the dirt in the paddock in about 20 minutes tops between track sessions. This is not my first brake job.

First problem: old house in town with no garage. I'm in the driveway I share with my neighbor. It is hot out.

Second problem: brakes pads on the car have never been changed. These are high end Brembo type brakes made by Akebono. Usually with this type of brake pad changes are easy. But, the pins that hold the spring clips in are coated with dust and are hard to get out. No big deal. With some fiddling and cussing they come out.

Third problem: aftermarket ceramic pads have little tabs on the edges that are a tiny bit too big. We're talking a mm here. No problem. Two minutes on the grinder and all 8 are perfect.

Get right front set done, no problem.

Fourth problem: when I compress the inboard pistons to make room for the new inboard pad, one of the outboard pistons comes out and won't go back in. Never seen this. Fiddle fiddle fiddle, nothing, won't budge. Open up bleed screws, still won't budge.

I'll have to remove the whole caliper and take it to my work bench. No big deal. Done it tons of times.

Fifth problem: hard brake lines cross right over top caliper bolt. Caliper bolts usually require breaker bar of large wrench. No room. Have to loosen brake line brackets. Finally get caliper off. Take it down to basement workbench and with all bleeder valves and brake line removed piston compresses back into place.

Reinstall caliper, pads and brake lines. Which means I'll have to bleed this corner.

Sixth problem: send wife to auto parts store for DOT 4 fluid. See on reservoir cap "DOT 3 Only". My bad. Send her back for DOT 3. She's not happy.

Fortunately I have a pressurized bleeder for my Z and these cars have the same reservoir so it fits. Add fluid, pump up bleeder and begin bleeding. Easy one man job. Excellent tool if you do this a lot.

Seventh problem: I hear a hissing sound and feel fluid raining down on me. The hose on the pressure bleeder has burst covering me in brake fluid which also goes on my wife's car, the neighbor's car and my Z. For those of you who don't know, brake fluid is like paint thinner. So I immediately grab the bleeder bottle and unscrew the top to relieve the pressure then wipe it off of the neighbor's car, just a small patch, wife it off my wife's car, just a small patch and then my Z, big patch. Grab the hose and towels and detergent and wash all three areas.

The good news: No paint was damaged and the bleeding was complete.

Now to the rears.

Eighth problem: rears are harder to access. You can't turn the wheel so the assembly faces you and unlike Brembos the pins insert from inboard and the clips that hold them in place are inboard as well. Super hard to access. Further, the Akebono spring clips cover all of this up so you can't see any of it. It takes a good 15-20 minutes per side.

In the end it took nearly three hours to change a set of brake pads. It normally takes me 15 minutes. Clean up took another hour. Everything coated in brake fluid. I threw my work shirt and pants away. Add shower and resting my back (all of this done crouching on a stool in the driveway) and I've wasted a whole Saturday morning and in a bad mood the rest of the day.

I think I need help. Maybe a support group. I don't know how much a shop would have charged to do that job but when that brake fluid was shooting all over the place I'd have gladly paid $200. I believe I've come to a point in my life where it is not worth spending my time and energy doing this sort of thing.

And to clarify one other thing: This does not include 'projects'. I still like working and building things. It just isn't worth it doing mundane pleasureless crap that isn't even gratifying when you do it right and do it well. I no longer feel a sense of pride replacing brake pads or fixing a toilet.
 
/ Hi, my name is George, I am a DIYer. (Long) #2  
How would it be if:
You had a garage to work in
You had a lift
You didn't spill fluid all over
and
You were doing it the second time?

Most of my "jobs" I could easily take care of with a credit card, but I'd rather save the dollars for bigger purchases. If it's definitely a once in a long-long time job, like laying a waterline plastic works great.
 
/ Hi, my name is George, I am a DIYer. (Long) #3  
Think you can mix DOT 3 and 4. I am on the Mazdas.

Ralph
 
/ Hi, my name is George, I am a DIYer. (Long) #4  
Just don't mix DOT 5 with 3/4.
 
/ Hi, my name is George, I am a DIYer. (Long) #5  
I hear you loud and clear. Just came in from lying on my back under my 93 Suburban in the driveway replacing blown rusty brake line to rear wheel. Got the old one out. Found a compression fitting repair from previous owner. Grrr... rusty, dirty, gritty.... Grrrr..... :laughing:
 
/ Hi, my name is George, I am a DIYer. (Long) #6  
Ha! you sound like me!

I'd have gladly paid $200.

Yeah, except it wouldn't have been $200... more like $8-900 for those high end brakes... Now what do you think? :D
 
/ Hi, my name is George, I am a DIYer. (Long) #7  
You are doing your wifes brakes and shes pissed because she has to go to the store twice?

THAT for me, would be the only real problem.
 
/ Hi, my name is George, I am a DIYer. (Long) #8  
Grrr... rusty, dirty, gritty.... Grrrr..... :laughing:

LOL!!! My dad bought a 80's snow plow truck that needed lots of work including breaks and exhaust. Every time I hit something with a hammer, I think 10lbs of rust fell! One good thing, I didn't have to take my iron supplements.
 
/ Hi, my name is George, I am a DIYer. (Long) #9  
Good one George..
I'm w/ you.. I love to DIY.. & I'm in the same boat.. I can throw down the card or reach in my pocket.. but why, when "I" can do it.. lol
I live out in the country & BEFORE I do ANYTHING.. & I MEAN ANYTHING.. I have to sit & think about "the what if's"..
Something always goes wrong.. & I MEAN ALWAYS.. a broken bolt, a cut line..something.. & there isn't a Lowes or NAPA to run down the street to. So I end up planning for a 100.00 brake job & end up w/ 250.00 worth of parts, JUST IN CASE.. lol
 
/ Hi, my name is George, I am a DIYer. (Long) #10  
I hear ya.
At this point in my life, I generally enjoy all DIY tasks. I like the sense of craft and accomplishment, and always feel great when I step back and look at a completed task - even the tasks that were a pain in the pud and fraught with problems. These days, I have a choice - do it myself, or have it done; I have the option.
Having the option to DIY or pay someone is at times the difference between enjoying the job or not.
Why?
I remember the days when many DIY tasks were NOT fun -
a young man, kids, living check to check, with little money to fix/repair the car. Laying in the driveway late Sunday night, trying to fix a car so I can get to work the next day. I never want to be in that DIY situation again. But, I most certainly learned much about how things work. I would not trade that experience for anything.
 
/ Hi, my name is George, I am a DIYer. (Long) #11  
Congrats George. I too am a DIY'er. Started when I was 14 helping my Dad working on his cars. Just think, it could have been worse. Maybe not where you are but if you lived further north it could have been a different time of year, snowing and 10 below. Been there, done that. That's how it was for me for many years. As Newbury mentioned you need a garage with a lift.
 
/ Hi, my name is George, I am a DIYer. (Long) #12  
Good one George..
I'm w/ you.. I love to DIY.. & I'm in the same boat.. I can throw down the card or reach in my pocket.. but why, when "I" can do it.. lol
I live out in the country & BEFORE I do ANYTHING.. & I MEAN ANYTHING.. I have to sit & think about "the what if's"..
Something always goes wrong.. & I MEAN ALWAYS.. a broken bolt, a cut line..something.. & there isn't a Lowes or NAPA to run down the street to. So I end up planning for a 100.00 brake job & end up w/ 250.00 worth of parts, JUST IN CASE.. lol

I used to do that often. But now I've built up such a stock of "extra parts" that I often have the parts in stock.
Ha! you sound like me!
Yeah, except it wouldn't have been $200... more like $8-900 for those high end brakes... Now what do you think? :D
My thoughts exactly.

I hear you loud and clear. Just came in from lying on my back under my 93 Suburban in the driveway replacing blown rusty brake line to rear wheel. Got the old one out. Found a compression fitting repair from previous owner. Grrr... rusty, dirty, gritty.... Grrrr..... :laughing:
I had the same problem. Compression fitting repair that doesn't pass state inspection.
And when you DIY you can often notice other potential problems.
 
/ Hi, my name is George, I am a DIYer. (Long) #13  
My worst one was on a 62 Chev PU. It went throu gh the Mt. St. Helens ash. Took a total rebuild, reground crank, bore cylinders, etc. Inserting it into the PU was no problem, the problem arose when I grabbed the wrong bolt when installing the water pump. Broke it off. Never one to let a good screw-up go untouched I managed to snap off the drill bit when drilling for the easy out. A couple hours later after picking aat it with dental pics I had the drill part out, easy out in and dstub of bolt out. Took the rest of the day off and finished the next day.
Nowadays the checkbook handles most of it. At 83 anything requiring getting on my knees or crawling around and the checkbook volunteers.
 
/ Hi, my name is George, I am a DIYer. (Long) #14  
Sounds like you had one of those days when it's just better to walk away and finish another day. I DIY most everything, mainly because I hate paying for work that is not up to the caliber I expect of myself. Whether it be working on a car or painting a wall. I also hate paying a ton for an auto repair job that ends up with low quality parts when I can put high quality or OEM in for less. Too many hacks out there, how the heck do you break a lug nut off a car and leave it for the owner? Sorry, that past mechanic snafu still irks me.
 
/ Hi, my name is George, I am a DIYer. (Long) #15  
I hear you loud and clear. Just came in from lying on my back under my 93 Suburban in the driveway replacing blown rusty brake line to rear wheel. Got the old one out. Found a compression fitting repair from previous owner. Grrr... rusty, dirty, gritty.... Grrrr..... :laughing:

That's scary: 5500 # of rusty junk with leaky brakes on the road.

Ralph
 
/ Hi, my name is George, I am a DIYer. (Long) #16  
When U do your own car mechanics U need a second car to fetch parts.
If U buy everything U think U need it is once all apart that U find you need another part but the auto parts is either closed or they don't deliver.
Hello neighbor!

Nah, I'll work on my tractor but the car I leave to the shops.
Fortunately I am favored with a couple of capable 'back yard' types that really know how to repair cars without the aid of a computer.
Besides the computer generally just changes parts until it gets lucky.
 
/ Hi, my name is George, I am a DIYer. (Long)
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Yes, I need a garage and a lift. Not going to happen. I live in town. No room. There are plans deep in the back of my mind of building one down at my cabin place.

As for walking away, wasn't really an option with the car sitting in the driveway and schedule tight.

As for wife being ticked off, well, in my case, its here prerogative. She puts up with lot from me and would have happily taken the car to a shop for the brake job. And remember, she wasn't mad about going to get the fluid, it was going back to get the right fluid because I told her the wrong type.

Mixing 3 and 4 might be okay, I don't know. I think I have done so before, but on that morning, with EVERYTHING going wrong and the filler cap saying DOT 3 Only and not to mix them........I wasn't going to tempt fate any further than I already had.
 
/ Hi, my name is George, I am a DIYer. (Long) #19  
Great story.

My brother is an accomplished mechanic. Has worked on them all his life, even though he could easily pay to get it done. He's approaching 60 and has FINALLY decided the wear and tear on his body isn't worth saving a few hundred bucks. Apparently this revelation happened while he was toiling in the summer heat to do a brake job w/ no lift. Sweatin' like a pig, back aching, he looked down at his skinned knuckles and black fingernails and asked himself: WHY AM I DOING THIS? (Of course he made up for it by repainting his entire house a couple months later. :laughing: This DIY stuff is a lifelong affliction.)

If I could go back in time I would go a lot easier on all the landscaping. Trouble is, while you're still fit and pain-free you never think about it. I was never *injured* so I NEVER thought I'd pay a price. The doc says it's cumulative damage over the years that you don't notice 'til you're older. I mean, I love the feeling of accomplishment of a project done, the pride, but when I think of all the apartments and houses I remodeled over the years, the mountains of dirt I moved with a shovel.... was it really worth it???

Smartest thing I ever did was buy a tractor. My body will thank me. Worth every penny. :)
 
/ Hi, my name is George, I am a DIYer. (Long)
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(Of course he made up for it by repainting his entire house a couple months later. :laughing: This DIY stuff is a lifelong affliction.)

I did that several summers ago too, including all the scraping and prep work. (Let a painter do the back side of the house which is 3 stories up. Even the painter had to rent a man lift). I'm not doing that job again either.

Smartest thing I ever did was buy a tractor. My body will thank me. Worth every penny. :)

I joined this web site when I bought my first and only tractor almost 14 years ago. When I look back at the things I've spent good serious money for my tractor is close to the top of the list.....plus TBN has been an invaluable resource as well.
 

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