Kids on tractors

[LouNY]

If that was your line of work and you survived when did you turn so soft?

 

[oosik]

Coyote Machine - they are a lost cause. They are Mother Natures assistants in winnowing the herd. "Grandpa did it this way and by D-A-M-N I'm going to do it this way and nobody will change my mind". Ptttttttttt.............

 

[Redlands Okie]

Taking risks as needed is one thing. No need to take unnecessary risk in a work environment. I will say that never will there be a rider on equipment that I am operating at work or home.
Risk at play and home ? Various kinds of ball games, bikes or horses, whatever. Have at it. We all do it at some point and time. Personally know that all of the above are likely to result in a hospital visit.
As a contractor I have worked on more than a dozen homes where we were modifying the home to allow wheelchair access to various areas as a specific result of above ground swimming pool accidents. Now I realize that there are a LOT of above ground swimming pools. But for me to personally see so many cases of problems from one single common source its a attention getter. I can assure you I would think really hard about having one with kids around. Tractor related accident injuries are just as easily going to be seriously significant.

 

[JRobyn]

You can tell the tractor owner/driver is a few cards short of a full deck just from the picture. How much traction does he think he's going to get to pull that big disk with those squishy, fat turf tires?

 

[Coyote machine]

If that was your line of work and you survived when did you turn so soft?

It's not an IF, it's a was. I checked with my wife- she says I'm never soft!
I used to know some nice folks over Greenwich way. What happened to you?
Well, let's examine the question: Lou stated the following in his opening remarks: "This post is going to upset a lot of people, so right of the bat I don't give a da*n, suck it up....
**** people that have to shove there (their) opinions down others throats, I would hate to try.....

Note: I corrected a few of Lou's spelling and usage errors for better clarity.
Now it seems pretty obvious Lou doesn't care about others, as expressed his saying he doesn't give a ****, (also spelled wrong), and telling readers to suck something up- but he's not specific as to what exactly 'we're' supposed to suck up- maybe more Fox 'news'?
Then he goes on about people having to shove their opinions down others throats, and something about hate, and his inability to count how many times he was and probably still is the bravest of the brave back in the days of the invention of the wheel .
How's NOT shoving one's opinion down others throats working out for you now?!

Coyote Machine - they are a lost cause. They are Mother Natures assistants in winnowing the herd. "Grandpa did it this way and by D-A-M-N I'm going to do it this way and nobody will change my mind". Ptttttttttt.............

I know, I just can't resist! And when one like Lou gets hurt for whatever reason, his lawyer is on speed-dial. I'd lay money it's Cohen....I heard he's looking for work.

 

[/pine]

...I heard he's looking for work.

too bad for those that will be found they have broken the law by violating the council/client confidence rights between a lawyer and their clients...

Even when they get out of jail they will have a hard time finding work...

 

[Coyote machine]

too bad for those that will be found they have broken the law by violating the council/client confidence rights between a lawyer and their clients...

Even when they get out of jail they will have a hard time finding work...

Attorney/client privilege does NOT apply when a lawyer knowingly breaks the law in an attempt to cover up or participate in criminal activity. Cohen did both, numerous times including illegal use of campaign finance money. Go to jail- collect nothing.

 

[/pine]

Attorney/client privilege does NOT apply when a lawyer knowingly breaks the law in an attempt to cover up or participate in criminal activity. Cohen did both, numerous times including illegal use of campaign finance money. Go to jail- collect nothing.

Geeze are you gullible...!...you just suck up the "fake news" like it's candy...

campaign funds?...are you serious??? ...LMAO...!

FYI, as long as both parties were acting in good faith as attorney/client... and the attorney was legally practicing...the privilege remains intact...a client can confess anything to their attorney in confidence without repercussions after the fact...
Watch and learn...!

 

[poncho62]

Yep....Probably not the safest thing in the world. I'm 65 and as a kid, rode on the round fender of my dad's tractor many times and survived. I remember him telling me in the winter not to wrap my fingers around the fender, cus the chains on the tires were there. I still have all my fingers. Times sure have changed. I guess less kids are hurt or killed in farming accidents these days, but it still happens. Maybe, we were just a bit more aware of our surroundings and knew there were dangers.

Here is a picture of me at 10 years old on a mower.......Oh my God.....look. it has no guards on the reels....I kinda knew not to put my feet there. I still have both my feet.

 

[majorwager]

/ pine is seldom wrong. Secondly, Lou is not the person trying to intimidate folks. He merely stated his experience. It is the safety police from the righteous indignation state, who incidentally gave us the socialist curmudgeon, that attempt to enforce their obnoxious moral high ground upon folks minding their own business. Nice jab to the news organization, the #1 UNDISPUTED news organization in this country.
Might wonder if our stephen hawking replacement wannbee has the FD standing by his avatar fire. And has he all the safety police open burn permits? Enjoy rattling that cage, their red faces, the finger wagging, their tongues tangled around their words. They lost the election, same as they lost this discussion. Spit and sputter, the guy w/ orange hair is here to stay. The Mickey D jingle plays in the background, " I'm lovin' it.

And the lame reference from the wife, real class, making the argument for us.

 

[majorwager]

Jrobyn.

Certainly you are an expert in Ag tire tractor traction coefficients . My humble viewing of the photo suggests these are 21L x 16 R-3's.
You poke fun at the inflation but are clueless because the recommended air pressure is 12 psi. You have no clue as to the soil consistency he will encounter or at what degree of aggressiveness the the implement will be set. Those tires have a substantial surface contact area and would likely drag a similar tractor w/ R-1 shoes all over the field. You are simply piling on from a position of obvious, (being restrained here) misinformation.

 

[LouNY]

It's not an IF, it's a was. I checked with my wife- she says I'm never soft!
I used to know some nice folks over Greenwich way. What happened to you?
Well, let's examine the question: Lou stated the following in his opening remarks: "This post is going to upset a lot of people, so right of the bat I don't give a da*n, suck it up....
**** people that have to shove there (their) opinions down others throats, I would hate to try.....

Note: I corrected a few of Lou's spelling and usage errors for better clarity.
Now it seems pretty obvious Lou doesn't care about others, as expressed his saying he doesn't give a ****, (also spelled wrong), and telling readers to suck something up- but he's not specific as to what exactly 'we're' supposed to suck up- maybe more Fox 'news'?
Then he goes on about people having to shove their opinions down others throats, and something about hate, and his inability to count how many times he was and probably still is the bravest of the brave back in the days of the invention of the wheel .
How's NOT shoving one's opinion down others throats working out for you now?!



I know, I just can't resist! And when one like Lou gets hurt for whatever reason, his lawyer is on speed-dial. I'd lay money it's Cohen....I heard he's looking for work.

OK,
Your not that far from me, we can get together for a cup of coffee or a beer and discuss the worlds problems and if that doesn't work step out back and discuss it.
PM me if you care too.
P.S. I **** sure don't keep a lawyer on speed dial.

 

[John Fitzgerald]

People have gotten too soft and careful. We didn't have ROPS or seatbelts back when I learned how to do stuff. I'll be darned if I am going to leave the ROPS up and tear the header off the garage. It stays folded down unless I am doing something that could possibly roll the thing over, then it goes back down.

 

[Industrial Toys]

My Dad had me driving an old Massey Harris 33 when I was ten. I could not even reach the pedals as the seat did not move. And insisting that every visitor regardless of age or gender also try their hand at it. I almost got run over on one of those occasions when I got thrown off (oh yes, riders were essential).

Quite stupid actually although I kind of appreciate that kind of upbringing, especially since I survived.

 

[poncho62]

I understand the point that you and others are saying, and don't completely disagree. The earlier somebody learns with proper supervison, the more adept they will become at any activity. Yet whether it's riding on farm equipment, doing crazy crap in HS, or other things the flaw in the "we survived" argument is that some didn't.
I remember my parent's came home from a MC ride back when I was in HS, telling about somebody who was out bush hogging, and had three kids riding on the mower. Would you consider that safe?

Not saying it was right or wrong, just saying how it was....Different time I guess. Each generation seems to have it's own brand of stupidity.....Tide Pod anyone?

 

[K5lwq]

Unfortunately people are seriously injured or killed daily for making bad decisions. Most, I am sure, wish they would have done something differently to prevent the situation in the first place. I too spent many hours as a kid driving tractors and working around heavy equipment on the farm. When I was ten, I was pulling a 1000 gallon water trailer about 12 miles down a gravel road. The draw bar on the tractor pulled out because the bolt broke that held it in place. I was in high gear when it happened. I was able to use the tire of the tractor to slow the trailer and steer it to bring it to a stop. I just let the trailer run into the tire and slowly lowered the speed of the tractor till everything came to a rest. Today, I am afraid very few kids or adults could do that with out getting hurt or hurting someone else. Times are different, and people rely to much on safety features rather than understanding how to be smart about what they are doing. We did not discuss safety on the farm, we just lived it. Dad would see someone doing something that was to risky and would just say you might want to go about that a different way. That was that. I think being smart about what you are doing and understanding the risk involved is the best way to limit accidents. However, accidents will happen no matter what we do.

 

[sandman2234]

TI have a friend who was a stay at home Dad, with a wife that worked away from home for long periods of time. They didn't have a lot of money and I donated a tractor to him to mow his property, rather than me having to come over and do it for him. Wasn't much of a tractor, but he managed to find a couple of implements to make farming possible. Since he didn't have daycare, he took the kid out with him. First time I saw him with the kid on the tractor, I had a discussion with him. Not one of "you are stupid" but more of a "how can we avoid an accident". We mounted a seat over the right fender. A few years later he sold the tractor when he got a chance to buy a bigger one, and there is a chance that that seat is still mounted on the tractor, giving kids a ride. Yes there was a seatbelt, although it wasn't engineered in place to pass current seatbelt laws.
Can anyone see that fender to see if the kid was actually sitting on a seat, or maybe tied to the seat? In Florida we don't have nearly as much chance of turning over a tractor, although that happens. Can't advise on why the rops isn't up.
Maybe this tread should be locked?
David from jax

 

[majorwager]

Jstpssng,

So your parents were riding motorcycles w/ another motorcyclist who was towing a bush hog w/ their children riding on the mower ,likly a BMW, since they would need a shaft driven machine to drive the PTO

You see how utterly absurd this thread has become,? beginning w/ the op. Now we have two members that want to beat the heck out of each other. The thread serves no practical purpose, no minds or opinions will be changed or altered, Folks resisted being told how to raise their children and live their lives. If you see illegal activity take it to the authorities, not the tractor forum.

T h e best result here is for a moderator to close it,

 

[Redlands Okie]

Folks keep in mind that with todays attitudes a kid hurt or placed in danger as a result of careless actions of a parent or such is likely to result in charges filed by the authorities. Not have to agree with it. Just the way it is.