14k vs 20k trailer?

[HK45]

Im not trying to start a war Im just wondering how you guys make these tandem dual axle trailers work with 3/4 and 1Ton single rear wheel trucks? The tandem axle trailers are heavy, And unless you derate them will definitely put you over CDL limit and most likely over the factory GCWR. My 14k 20+5 single wheel gooseneck weights in around 5,300 which don't leave me much to haul. When looking at trailers the tandem axle dual weight was about 1500-2000 pounds more then mine which will really leave you with not much to haul. Im in Pa is it different in other states when it come to the the factory GCWR of a pickup truck? Rules different if you have Farm tags? Any info would be appreciated

 

[Deere Dude]

Keeping track of 8 tires & wheels can be a pita. I like Lineman's set up/thinking!

I had to change tires on my GMC duramax dually and it almost broke me. Then I also had to change tires on my 16500# camper about the same time and I was almost sent to the poorhouse because they were commercial duty Goodyears.

If you use the logic that you need to change tires every 6 years because of age deterioration you will be glad you got singles on your trailer. Using a trailer now and then for a 10 mile trip and then park it for the remainder of the time, you will still need tires even if they look like brand new on the outside. I wouldn't but some on this forum claim you should.

Your Duramax truck will pull your load just fine, just make sure you have a decent brake controller.

I would figure out your exact weights being hauled and then get a deckover with singles to haul it.

 

[rustyshakelford]

Im not trying to start a war Im just wondering how you guys make these tandem dual axle trailers work with 3/4 and 1Ton single rear wheel trucks? The tandem axle trailers are heavy, And unless you derate them will definitely put you over CDL limit and most likely over the factory GCWR. My 14k 20+5 single wheel gooseneck weights in around 5,300 which don't leave me much to haul. When looking at trailers the tandem axle dual weight was about 1500-2000 pounds more then mine which will really leave you with not much to haul. Im in Pa is it different in other states when it come to the the factory GCWR of a pickup truck? Rules different if you have Farm tags? Any info would be appreciated

Easiest thing is farm plates and class A license. I'm good on weights for my license to 48k, my truck and trailer are good to 44k. The difference between a 3/4 ton and 1 ton SRW are usually nothing more than an overload and different sticker. There's several that are fearmongering people on this forum. I'm surprised that everyone with a 1025 or bx25 don't have Duallys and deckover tandem duals. Common sense covers a lot of stuff here but those trailers with 2x7k axles are great fits for lots of guys but as for the OP I still recommend the tandem dual because I had that tractor size and know what it weights. Your SRW will be fine.

Brett

 

[RedNeckRacin]

HK thanks for the compliment. PA seems to be pretty strict when it comes to hauling and towing compared to other states.

Brett It's always nice to butt heads with familiar friends.

PA doesn't let you just get farm plates and go to town. You actually have to have your IRS schedule F in hand to register vehicles with farm tags. I have heard that the fines are pretty stiff for running farm tags and doing for profit work in PA.

Everyone gets all excited about the motor and tranny pulling loads. Everyone seems to forget the "oh **** I need to stop now situations". Can you pull a GN with a diesel p/u. Sure can. Are you going to keep control of it in a panic stop? Dunno? Having the proper weight distribution is a big part of it and one of the main reasons Brett and I butt heads. Those pictures of the dozers on the GN's look great behind the p/u's, but I highly doubt he has 20-25% of the GTW on the pin. I would gladly pull those loads with my international with the dozers pulled forward another 5 feet or more and have 0 issues with it because I have a large enough truck to handle the pin weight but I also want more weight on my truck axle so I can keep the trailer behind me. What happens if you hit the brakes and the trailer brakes aren't 100% there? The extra weight also helps with the engine braking to give the rear axle enough weight to keep it from skidding. Now that being said, if you are going to drag the tractor down the road to the other farm and live in the flat lands, no I can't justify getting a bigger truck to you other than peace of mind. We all know how many distracted drivers there are now a days.

I can only tell you guys about my experience towing. It's prolly worth exactly what ya paid for it. :drink:

 

[bdog]

Easiest thing is farm plates and class A license. I'm good on weights for my license to 48k, my truck and trailer are good to 44k. The difference between a 3/4 ton and 1 ton SRW are usually nothing more than an overload and different sticker. There's several that are fearmongering people on this forum. I'm surprised that everyone with a 1025 or bx25 don't have Duallys and deckover tandem duals. Common sense covers a lot of stuff here but those trailers with 2x7k axles are great fits for lots of guys but as for the OP I still recommend the tandem dual because I had that tractor size and know what it weights. Your SRW will be fine.

Brett

The concern with a 3/4 ton or 1 ton SRW with a heavy gooseneck is overloading the rear pickup tires. My 32' tandem dual gooseneck has at least 5k of pin weight when loaded. Most pickup tires if e rated are only 3,200 lbs each. It is pretty easy to exceed that with a big gooseneck if you only have two back there. I have been checked by the dot numerous times and they don't care about GVWR but they have always made sure I wasn't over registered weight or tire weight ratings. On the practical side of it I have found that bad things happen to tires when overloaded or even ran near the max rating.

 

[crazyal]

When you say not often, what is not often? I ask because when I got my 580K backhoe I already had my 2 1/2 ton dump. It just seamed logical to get a trailer to move it on occasion (maybe two or three times a year). I got a used 21k 24' triaxle trailer and the setup works well, well sort of. Between the cost to register, the cost to insure, and fuel costs it turns out cheaper to pay someone to haul it for me. There's a company minutes away and for $60/hr they show up with a semi pulling a low boy and in 10 minutes we are on our way. Loading onto a lowboy is so much easier than dealing with ramps or a tilt bed. Usually it's between $120 to $150 each way. I ended up selling my trailer for $3k, about 10 trips. I think, at least for me, I would have to use the trailer at least once a month to break even. The downside, of course is not being able to trailer it whenever I want (usually my guy can get here in as little as 2 hours) but I also have none of the worries of towing either. I'm not saying it's right for you but it never hurts to look into it.

 

[LD1]

Im not trying to start a war Im just wondering how you guys make these tandem dual axle trailers work with 3/4 and 1Ton single rear wheel trucks? The tandem axle trailers are heavy, And unless you derate them will definitely put you over CDL limit and most likely over the factory GCWR. My 14k 20+5 single wheel gooseneck weights in around 5,300 which don't leave me much to haul. When looking at trailers the tandem axle dual weight was about 1500-2000 pounds more then mine which will really leave you with not much to haul. Im in Pa is it different in other states when it come to the the factory GCWR of a pickup truck? Rules different if you have Farm tags? Any info would be appreciated

Don't know the laws in other states, but usually, the mfg gcwr is just a suggestion. If stopped, they look to see that no individual axle or tire is overloaded, and that's it.

Regarding needing a CDL....you don't if it's for personal use. The C in CDL is for commercial. A private individual towing a tractor for personal uses does NOT need a CDL. You might need a different class of non-commercial license, but CDL is not even a consideration unless you are hauling for commerce/hire

 

[powerstroke444e]

I have a 30' gooseneck 8k axles with single 14ply 16 tires and wouldn't go any less. I have been looking to upgrade/update to 12k with super singles 17.5 reason is the singles seem to hold better. I have had blow outs on my current trailer due to heat and over loading and I have never had any issue with keeping control. I have pulled with everything from 3/4 ton gas to F450 currently have a f350 srw I have no desire to ever go back to bumper pull with anything that will be over 10k. I have several bumper pull trailers and all ride/pull worse.

 

[Lineman North Florida]

I have a 30' gooseneck 8k axles with single 14ply 16 tires and wouldn't go any less. I have been looking to upgrade/update to 12k with super singles 17.5 reason is the singles seem to hold better. I have had blow outs on my current trailer due to heat and over loading and I have never had any issue with keeping control. I have pulled with everything from 3/4 ton gas to F450 currently have a f350 srw I have no desire to ever go back to bumper pull with anything that will be over 10k. I have several bumper pull trailers and all ride/pull worse.

I believe that you will be very pleased with the 17.5 super singles if you get them.

 

[downs807]

First off I am not trying to be a smart alleck but I don't think a lot of people realize how un-realistic it is to have to upgrade everything you have to virtually semi capacities just to pull you're tractor a few times a year close to home, I pull my trailer with a 3/4 ton truck and when I load it down with hay in the field to bring to the barn I am absolutely sure that I am overloaded by law but I am out in the country not pulling thru a school yard where kids could run out unexpected in front of me or anything like that, I don't pull for a living just now and then, but if I had to upgrade everything to do the little bit of pulling I do, I just as well get rid of it all because I couldn't afford it. It will come down to what you feel comfortable with. Good luck. Charlie.

This 100%. No reason you can't pull what your wanting to with a 14k single wheel gooseneck. I'm maybe 1k to 1500 lbs off your load and I pull with a 6.0 chevy gas truck and it does just fine.