Good morning!!!!

[toppop52]

From what I understand, white rice may raise your blood sugar more than ice-cream will, but blood sugar is only a symptom of diabetes. Ice-Cream will actually worsen the ability of your cells to receive the sugar/insulin and therefore is worse for your diabetes over-all than is white rice. Below are two good sites. The first site, mastering diabetes, mentions a summit that my wife attended. It was a week long and included lectures from several doctors who all agree that fat is much worse in the long-run for diabetics than simple carbs (i.e. white rice). I'm not sure if you can still access the summit, but if you can, it is well worth spending the time watching the lectures. The other site, nutrition facts, is just a really good article by Dr. Greger. You probably already know this information, but it is still good and other people may be interested.

Mastering Diabetes Online Summit - Low-Fat, Plant-Based, Whole-Foods


How Exactly Does Type 2 Diabetes Develop? | NutritionFacts.org

"Insulin resistance is the cause of both prediabetes and type 2 diabetes. Ok, so what is the cause of insulin resistance? Insulin resistance is now accepted to be closely associated with the accumulation of fat within our muscle cells. This fat toxicity inside of our muscles is a major factor in the cause of insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes, as it interferes with the action of insulin. I致e explored how fat makes our muscles insulin resistant (see What Causes Insulin Resistance?), how that fat can come from the fat we eat or the fat we wear (see The Spillover Effect Links Obesity to Diabetes), and how not all fats are the same (see Lipotoxicity: How Saturated Fat Raises Blood Sugar). It痴 the type of fat found predominantly in animal fats, relative to plant fats, that appears to be especially deleterious with respect to fat-induced insulin insensitivity. But this insulin resistance in our muscles starts years before diabetes is diagnosed."

I don't eat either one, but the problem with white rice is it not only spikes your glucose, but it holds it up for long periods, as opposed to most pasta and such. I've eaten pasta with tomato sauce for years and it causes very few problems, white rice is worse than cherry pie to keep glucose levels up for longer periods, at least it with me. My diabetic specialist is Jack Snitzer, he's considered one of the best in the east. Takes 6-7 months to get the first appointment. He released me 10-12 years ago as a functioning non diabetic, but I'm going back , as I get older I see a slight uptick in my A1c and want to keep it in check.
Yes milk fats, meat fats, etc... not only cause glucose issues but are the culprit in higher cholesterol, not cholesterol it's self.

I subscribe to two magazines still, and read a lot on line, probably not as up to date as I once was, but I still eat my pickles, beets and onions.

 

[txdon]

I don't eat either one, but the problem with white rice is it not only spikes your glucose, but it holds it up for long periods, as opposed to most pasta and such. I've eaten pasta with tomato sauce for years and it causes very few problems, white rice is worse than cherry pie to keep glucose levels up for longer periods, at least it with me. My diabetic specialist is Jack Snitzer, he's considered one of the best in the east. Takes 6-7 months to get the first appointment. He released me 10-12 years ago as a functioning non diabetic, but I'm going back , as I get older I see a slight uptick in my A1c and want to keep it in check.
Yes milk fats, meat fats, etc... not only cause glucose issues but are the culprit in higher cholesterol, not cholesterol it's self.

I subscribe to two magazines still, and read a lot on line, probably not as up to date as I once was, but I still eat my pickles, beets and onions.

Sounds like you are on top of things. :thumbsup: I just didn't want Drew to go out and buy a gallon of ice-cream and think he was being good because he did not eat rice, or start with the good carbs and bad carbs when he should be concerned about oils and fats. He is one of the more consistent Morning Group people and don't want him to go missing . . . .

 

[RoyJackson]

Drew!!!

Happy Birthday, Old Timer!

 

[Looking4new]

if your'e diabetic or pre-diabetic, fats not carbohydrates are the main culprit.

Fats are the enemy, some carbs are bad too though, example, white rice is worse than ice cream.

or start with the good carbs and bad carbs when he should be concerned about oils and fats. He is one of the more consistent Morning Group people and don't want him to go missing . . . .

Thanks for that people. Reaches for the pure maple syrup and guzzles it down.

 

[toppop52]

Sounds like you are on top of things. :thumbsup: I just didn't want Drew to go out and buy a gallon of ice-cream and think he was being good because he did not eat rice, or start with the good carbs and bad carbs when he should be concerned about oils and fats. He is one of the more consistent Morning Group people and don't want him to go missibng . . . .

LOL No, we don't want to lose Drew! Ed's already missing. You gave good advice, I really couldn't improve on it and should have just said Amen, and moved on.

 

[toppop52]

Apparently you have not had my lecture on triglycerides!:laughing: - another day . . .

Everybody's had your lecture Don! Nobody can say you don't try to lead us down a better path.

 

[txdon]

Oh Top I just deleted the post you quoted, I was going to start the references,:laughing:

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Happy birthday Drew.

The moon was big and orange last night, very pretty.

Snow has started. Was 46° today, 34° now. Filled up the pellet box, then moved my two old oil tanks from the garage to the barn, so I could get vehicles in. Rearranged the barn so I could get the truck in there. Bucket is on the tractor and ready to go.

 

[toppop52]

Oh Top I just deleted the post you quoted, I was going to start the references,:laughing:

I have it saved for posterity.

 

[txdon]

Well then, I'll continue.
The Healthiest Sweetener | NutritionFacts.org

Go to 4:30 for the answer

Check out 2:50 for maple syrup.

 

[toppop52]

Looks like it might be snowing now, but supposed to change to rain in a couple of hours and we are supposed to get 2"-3" of rain before it stops.

 

[toppop52]

Well then, I'll continue.
The Healthiest Sweetener | NutritionFacts.org

Go to 4:30 for the answer

Check out 2:50 for maple syrup.

That's interesting.

 

[daugen]

thanks guys. Pouring like mad out, heavy rain into the night. Forecast amounts steadily increasing...
Will be nice to go to sleep to.
All of you who get dumped on with the white stuff be careful tomorrow.

and for the record....I have not had one teaspoon of ice cream with this pie. I wonder how many pieces of pie I can eat in one day....as I just finished off a big salad for dinner. Balance...

 

[txdon]

I wonder how many pieces of pie I can eat in one day....as I just finished off a big salad for dinner. Balance...

Now you went and confused me Drew.
What are you trying to balance???
The salad will not decrease the fat intake.

 

[lostcreekranch]

That's interesting.

You guys are harshing my mello!

Just finished and excellent dinner of broiled butterflied pork chop, homemade smashed potatoes, and whole kernel corn in some butter. I'll will make up, for my sins, with a Jack Daniels and a gluten free cigar on east patio, watching the moon rise.

 

[toppop52]

You guys are harshing my mello!

Just finished and excellent dinner of broiled butterflied pork chop, homemade smashed potatoes, and whole kernel corn in some butter. I'll will make up, for my sins, with a Jack Daniels and a gluten free cigar on east patio, watching the moon rise.

I would sit on my east side deck and join you, but it's 38° and raining.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Mines 29° and snowing.

I'd sit out there for a piece of sour cherry pie with ice cream.

 

[mostly_gas]

Good evening all. 46F this morning, cloudy, ended up with just a trace of rain. Temps rose to 60F, windy, skies cleared off after lunch pretty nice day actually. Choir practice this morning, dog sitting, and replaced truck spark plugs today.

 

[mostly_gas]

Don do they have a section on what to eat when you are in a mode where you are burning 700-900 cal/hr?

Happy birthday Drew. nice looking pie by the way!!

 

[txdon]

Don do they have a section on what to eat when you are in a mode where you are burning 700-900 cal/hr?

You do not want to negate the benefits of exercise with the wrong foods.
Paleo Diets May Negate Benefits of Exercise | NutritionFacts.org

(It's all good but at about 4:00 it talks about exercise and specific diet)