The WICKED Root & Debris GRAPPLE!!!!!!!

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Right now, we're thinking 40+HP as of now. L6060 testing will tell the tale and seal the deal.
Ted and I haven't talked about price much, but $1,500-$1,600 may be close.
Travis

Thanks again for the info.

200 pounds, 54" wide and a 37" opening. Hmmm, sounds like it might work pretty well on a 38hp Kubota. I like my Wicked 50" but this one might be more useful hauling brush and dragging away vines and briars away from pasture fences.

Looking forward to the video of it in use.
 
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Island-

Since I've had my Wicked grapple I don't think I've dug up a single tree or bush. I don't have any rocks so I haven't hauled any. I have moved around a few dead trees or logs to be cut up but not that often. 95% of my use has been to move low hanging limbs or brush that I've cut back from the perimeter of my 18 acres of pine trees and it's been quite a lot.

For my use, do you think the EA grapple rake would be more efficient than the regular Wicked grapple that I have now.

Oh, I'll be clearing loose hay out the barns this year to make more room for the new rolls. Do you think the rake would be good for moving loose hay too?
 
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Island-

Since I've had my Wicked grapple I don't think I've dug up a single tree or bush. I don't have any rocks so I haven't hauled any. I have moved around a few dead trees or logs to be cut up but not that often. 95% of my use has been to move low hanging limbs or brush that I've cut back from the perimeter of my 18 acres of pine trees and it's been quite a lot.

For my use, do you think the EA grapple rake would be more efficient than the regular Wicked grapple that I have now.

Oh, I'll be clearing loose hay out the barns this year to make more room for the new rolls. Do you think the rake would be good for moving loose hay too?

Given your grapple needs I would think you'd be happy with a clamshell but I'd imagine that your "standard" L shaped grapple would work just fine too. The hay would be easier with the clamshell. The brush would do fine with either. The clamshell might be less convenient for picking up lots of branches though.

Standard grapples "scoop" with the lower tines and the upper jaw just holds stuff in place so it doesn't bounce out while traveling. Clamshells "pinch" objects and need to keep pinching or the load will fall out. If you are moving around picking up occasional branches etc, then with a standard grapple you would simply open the jaw and scoop up the next object then clamp again and move to the third. With a clamshell, once you have one object in the grapple you will drop that object immediately when you go to open the grapple to collect object 2 and again for object 3. Not a big deal to pick them up again....most of the time.

The basic problem with clamshells (and 4n1 buckets used as a grapple) comes down to picking up more than a single long object. A clamshell does fine picking up just about any single object. The problem starts when for example the first object is a log 8 inches in diameter and the second and third logs are only 3 inches. Once you clamp on the 8 inch log and it is "on top" then you cannot simply add the 3 inch log beneath the 8 inch log. For starters the 8 incher will fall out as soon as you try to pick up the 3 incher (not an issue with a standard L grapple) and more importantly, if you then try to pick up the 8 inch log sitting on top of the new 3 inch log and clamp, you will find that the grapple jaw "jambs" on the 8 inch log and doesn't even contact the 3 incher so won't pick it up. If you always picked up the smaller logs first then it wouldn't be such a problem.

Think about the human hand. If, with your knuckles up, palm down (like a clamshell), try to pick up a couple of objects, it is best to put the smaller one on top. It is easy to pick up a pencil and then add a can of soup but it is hard to get the pencil if you already have a can of soup in your grasp. Flip your hand around so palm is now facing up (more like a standard grapple) and it is trivial to hold both a can of soup and a number of pencils regardless of what order you scoop them up. It basically boils down to either using a "pincer" clamp versus just gravity to hold the objects in place.

If you are unhappy with your standard grapple you may find that the clamshell fills a void but most of us have found the standard type to be the best choice. I am sure the clamshell would be great for ripping out brush and moving hay but I still think a standard grapple is simply more flexible.

Having critiqued the clamshell, I must add that if EA really sells them for $1500 or so that is an excellent price. Most clamshells sell for north of $2K. And, most clamshells weigh much more than 200lbs so that is also a big plus for the EA product.
 
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I can visualize exactly what you're talking about, especially knowing the grapple you have, which has little to no outward curl of the bottom tines.

True, the lower tine outward curl is very critical to a rake grapple's usefulness. With not enough of it, the load holding capacity is limited. I find little use for my rake grapple other than back raking and pushing a pile. It does work well as a limited "dozer". It only can "haul" about 30% of what an L grapple can do.
 
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Island & Tom

Thanks for the excellent input. That's what I like about TBN.

My 50" grapple has worked good so far. Im just making sure I'm not missing out on something more efficient.

I still may consider "upgrading" to the Wicked 54" with the 37" opening sometime in the future.
 
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Island & Tom

Thanks for the excellent input. That's what I like about TBN.

My 50" grapple has worked good so far. Im just making sure I'm not missing out on something more efficient.

I still may consider "upgrading" to the Wicked 54" with the 37" opening sometime in the future.

I'd sure give that 50" a lot of seat time. A lot of people get a lot of work done with it.
 
/ The WICKED Root & Debris GRAPPLE!!!!!!! #1,768  
Thanks again for the info.

200 pounds, 54" wide and a 37" opening. Hmmm, sounds like it might work pretty well on a 38hp Kubota. I like my Wicked 50" but this one might be more useful hauling brush and dragging away vines and briars away from pasture fences.

Looking forward to the video of it in use.

I came in like 3 pages back and I'm surprised Travis hadn't posted it already.

 
/ The WICKED Root & Debris GRAPPLE!!!!!!!
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I came in like 3 pages back and I'm surprised Travis hadn't posted it already.


Thanks for picking up my slack, Steve!

The video was 100% unplanned. Ted told me he was going out to test the grapple on our BX2670 and I said "Video Time"!
Travis
 
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The wood pile was getting tall and needed pushed over to fill in the back side. I stuck a small log in the grapple to push it over. I took it easy since this was my first time doing this.

 
/ The WICKED Root & Debris GRAPPLE!!!!!!!
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The wood pile was getting tall and needed pushed over to fill in the back side. I stuck a small log in the grapple to push it over. I took it easy since this was my first time doing this.


Use #......heck, I lost count. :laughing: :thumbsup:
Travis
 
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We've installed these intermediate runners, which will serve as a depth gauge when desired and also serve as tine bracing.
Travis

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/ The WICKED Root & Debris GRAPPLE!!!!!!!
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The prototype they are building looks very nice. And I'll be amazed and impressed if it comes in at anything close to 200lbs finished.

Weight update:

208 Pounds
Cylinders installed
Intermediate runners installed
Without hoses/couplers

So, without the runners....at or under 200 pounds! :cool2:
Travis
 
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Weight update:

208 Pounds
Cylinders installed
Intermediate runners installed
Without hoses/couplers

So, without the runners....at or under 200 pounds! :cool2:
Travis

Count me as impressed. Not sure I've ever seen a grapple that light.

What HP are you rating it for?
 
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Update: Received my grapple today, issue free. Examined it fully, the build quality is superb.

The hose saver kit bolted right up on the tractor using the bolt already on the loader crossmember, but is a little too tall as it rests against the brush guard when the loader is lowered all the way. I will likely heat and bend it forward to make an inch of clearance.

Hooked up the grapple, greased the fittings, and checked that all the hoses would travel freely and nothing would be pinched. Everything looked good.

Started cleaning up some brush piles and various limbs that've fell over the winter. Whether I was after a big bite from a pile, or just picking up a small stick to add to the top of the pile, it'd grab whatever I'd point it at.

On the way back across the field, I was passing near one of the many rocks that've grown out of the field and are starting to cause cutter issues. I've been planning on taking the backhoe around and burying them all, but decided to see how well the grapple might do at a smaller one (basketball sized). I pulled up to it and bumped it to see if it would wiggle any, it did. I centered up on it and dug the lower tines in a few inches away, closed the lid on it, rolled it back and up popped a HUGE rock (about the size of a ball-bag with a dozen basketballs in it)... Carried the rock down out of the field and added it to my rock pile.

Feeling adventurous, I decided to go clean up the stones from my stone gate pillar out front where a drunk wiped it out a couple hours into the new year. Some of the stones were thrown about 40 feet away into a swamp. First two, the only two I originally knew about, were easy to pull down to the edge and nab with the grapple and pull up out of the mud. While down there, I saw a third that was a little farther out. I thought I could get it with just the front tires in the swamp a little bit, so I went back in for the attempt. I got in far enough to get the rock, but it couldn't back up the hill to get out. I tried putting old fenceposts across the muck and use the grapple against them to help lift and push me out. During this process, one of my hydraulic hoses was apparently pushed aside and got into a pinch-point and ended up severed. I got a second person to hold reverse while I tried dragging it up the hill with the backhoe. Hooked the truck up with a chain and pulled. Nothing worked.

By this time, my front tires are totally under mud. Mud over the front axle. Mud over the front weight bracket and partly up the lower grille panels. The steps on the sides were setting on firm ground.

Went to a couple of the neighbors houses and couldn't find anyone home, so went across the hill and got a guy with a big wrecker to come winch it out. Interesting day to say the least...

Tomorrow I'll need to get the hose replaced...

First day of grappling was fun overall.
 
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Sysop that is WAY to much fun for the first day of grappling! :laughing: Still, it sounds like the grapple certainly lived up to expectations so I'd count it as a memorable win. Been there and done all that myself but not all on the first day. And I managed to autoextract from a muddy pond using the grapple and BH. In my case the pond was sandier rather than pure mud so it was easier.

I cannot quite understand how the hoses got pinched but that requires some rethinking of length or routing else it will surely happen again.
 
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Well, buried in the mud, the hoses were not able to return to their "slack position" (for lack of a better term). Basically the mud pushed them into a pinch point on the loader curl. I don't think it would happen again without being stuck again, but I will be examining what I can do with the routing to ensure it doesn't happen again.

Yes, overall the grapple was a huge success. I did 90% of the hardest work it will ever see today and it came through it all, mostly without a scratch (literally). The tips of the tines where the lid meets no longer have paint. Otherwise all the paint is intact and scratch free. The only other thing that shows use is there is one tiny bend in one of the "protection bars" they are now putting across the back. With the brush piles littered with various sized limbs I moved today, I'm sure they saved the front of my tractor some unwanted cosmetic changes.

I put about 4 hours of seat time on the tractor running the grapple today, not counting the time trying to get unstuck...
 
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Here's my stuck pic...

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