Sawyer Rob
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True story!
These days, this generation HAS TO HAVE a built in "babysitter" into everything they touch!! lol
It keeps them from having to take the time to THINK, before they act!!
SR
Ouch... maybe watch before you purchase a Mahindra.
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True story!
These days, this generation HAS TO HAVE a built in "babysitter" into everything they touch!! lol
It keeps them from having to take the time to THINK, before they act!!
SR
SedonaDave
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So would our quality of life be better if we never improved any product?....I hear what your saying, but as we, evolve I do hope we use our knowledge to make things, and the quality of life better.
It sounds more like a inconvenience over safety.....we have guards on electric saws because so many people lopped off fingers.....Should we have never worried about prevention?...Should building not have fire sprinklers?
MrWhippy
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Well, I will say my Workmaster 55 had problems with the Neutral safety switch not working correctly, causing a no start situation. After one warranty replacement, when it happened again, I bypassed it. All plugs are intact and anyone who wants to buy a new switch and hook it up again, but I simply made a bypass wire. Never another problem.
IME, on vehicles, it's best to leave as much of the original harness as possible. It's hard to cut the wire longer again.
IME, on vehicles, it's best to leave as much of the original harness as possible. It's hard to cut the wire longer again.
k0ua
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Here are some thoughts on Lance's no start situation and diagnosis of his Mahindra:
I will try to make this brief (those that know me, know how much that hurts me
)
While the video is not entirely clear on exactly how Lance got the starter solenoid to pull up, I got the impression that he ran that black wire directly from the starter terminal on the key switch to the starter solenoid. Unless it was designed to work that way AND I am quite certain it was not, I can see some potential problem ahead.
The starter solenoids of tractors of this size will draw a fair amount of current themselves. Maybe close to 20 amps or so. I doubt the keyswitch contacts were rated for that. I could be wrong, and I don't have his tractors schematic at hand to confirm, but this is what I think.
I think that his tractor likely has a starter relay that is supposed to supply the current to the starter solenoid and have contacts rated to support this load. The starter relay coil would be energized by the key switch thru the two safety switches on the PTO and the Range selector which he wired around that did not solve his problem.
Since I believe (but cannot prove without having specs and a schematic) that the key switch contacts are not rated to deliver the current the starter solenoid will draw through repeated applications, I believe that Lance will continue to have no start problems because of burned contacts on the key switch.
I also believe that while it is up to individual to decide if they wish to keep the safety switches intact, I will point out that one of our members about a year ago was severely injured when he started his tractor with a screwdriver and the tractor ran over him and hit a wall.
Who among us when we are tired hasn't overlooked a safety procedure (like double checking the tractor is not in gear and the brake is set) when we do something like start the tractor while standing on the ground or with a screwdriver. These things are fine to do for diagnostics, and we all do them, but you must realize you are taking a risk, and to double, and even triple check the parameters you are overriding.
Just like when someone hands you an "empty" firearm that they have checked. It is still a good idea for you to check it yourself before you pull the trigger. And even then keep the muzzle in a safe direction so that nothing would be destroyed if it did fire.
There is no substitute for using the scientific method when troubleshooting and having the proper equipment (a voltmeter and the wiring diagram of the tractor) in this case. And finding the actual fault and rectifying it instead of a workaround hack. Or using the field expediant to get you going, then take the time later to actually find the fault the proper way.
Those are my thoughts, and I hope I did not get too verbose or preachy, and maybe it will help someone else.
James in Branson, been fixing broken crap for over 50 years.
I will try to make this brief (those that know me, know how much that hurts me
) While the video is not entirely clear on exactly how Lance got the starter solenoid to pull up, I got the impression that he ran that black wire directly from the starter terminal on the key switch to the starter solenoid. Unless it was designed to work that way AND I am quite certain it was not, I can see some potential problem ahead.
The starter solenoids of tractors of this size will draw a fair amount of current themselves. Maybe close to 20 amps or so. I doubt the keyswitch contacts were rated for that. I could be wrong, and I don't have his tractors schematic at hand to confirm, but this is what I think.
I think that his tractor likely has a starter relay that is supposed to supply the current to the starter solenoid and have contacts rated to support this load. The starter relay coil would be energized by the key switch thru the two safety switches on the PTO and the Range selector which he wired around that did not solve his problem.
Since I believe (but cannot prove without having specs and a schematic) that the key switch contacts are not rated to deliver the current the starter solenoid will draw through repeated applications, I believe that Lance will continue to have no start problems because of burned contacts on the key switch.
I also believe that while it is up to individual to decide if they wish to keep the safety switches intact, I will point out that one of our members about a year ago was severely injured when he started his tractor with a screwdriver and the tractor ran over him and hit a wall.
Who among us when we are tired hasn't overlooked a safety procedure (like double checking the tractor is not in gear and the brake is set) when we do something like start the tractor while standing on the ground or with a screwdriver. These things are fine to do for diagnostics, and we all do them, but you must realize you are taking a risk, and to double, and even triple check the parameters you are overriding.
Just like when someone hands you an "empty" firearm that they have checked. It is still a good idea for you to check it yourself before you pull the trigger. And even then keep the muzzle in a safe direction so that nothing would be destroyed if it did fire.
There is no substitute for using the scientific method when troubleshooting and having the proper equipment (a voltmeter and the wiring diagram of the tractor) in this case. And finding the actual fault and rectifying it instead of a workaround hack. Or using the field expediant to get you going, then take the time later to actually find the fault the proper way.
Those are my thoughts, and I hope I did not get too verbose or preachy, and maybe it will help someone else.
James in Branson, been fixing broken crap for over 50 years.
Sawyer Rob
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SO, you think plugging up all our equipment <life> with the "baby sitter" BS is "improved" and is "making the quality of life better" ??
ALL I can say to that is, YIKES!!!!
SR
Sawyer Rob
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MrWhippy
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Here are some thoughts on Lance's no start situation and diagnosis of his Mahindra:
I will try to make this brief (those that know me, know how much that hurts me
While the video is not entirely clear on exactly how Lance got the starter solenoid to pull up, I got the impression that he ran that black wire directly from the starter terminal on the key switch to the starter solenoid. Unless it was designed to work that way AND I am quite certain it was not, I can see some potential problem ahead.
The starter solenoids of tractors of this size will draw a fair amount of current themselves. Maybe close to 20 amps or so. I doubt the keyswitch contacts were rated for that. I could be wrong, and I don't have his tractors schematic at hand to confirm, but this is what I think.
I think that his tractor likely has a starter relay
James in Branson, been fixing broken crap for over 50 years.
I agree. The fact that he has more than 3 wires connected to the starter and a fuse makes me think there's a relay around there that actually energizes the solenoid. Also agree that the key switch is likely not rated to the amperage that he's running through there now. (At least he ran 12 ga to the solenoid).
lilranch2001
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As far as my mind thinking.....
I feel it is not always better
When I got my 8N in 1994, that tractor was over 40 years old
I loved that tractor, it was capable and fun, and it is probably out there somewhere still running
Do you really think most of todays tractors will be running much past 20 years old?
When all these electronics begin to fail and there are no replacements available, all of these tractors are going to be only good for scrap iron
k0ua
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OR, there will be a new cottage industry springing up. Building and supply 3 party aftermarket modules to keep that not so old iron running!.
Never underestimate the desire to make a buck. When one door closes, another door opens.
lilranch2001
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Yea, but can you imagine integrating these generic "cottage industry" electronics into all the different brands and models of tractors?
Maybe for someone like you it would be a piece of cake, for someone like me, probably a little more challenging
For more than 50% of the population???? Holy Cow!!!
:confused2:
Maybe for someone like you it would be a piece of cake, for someone like me, probably a little more challenging
For more than 50% of the population???? Holy Cow!!!
:confused2:
SedonaDave
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You guys can keep your old mentality to your graves.....I will embrace technology....If the old was so great, we still would be using our timing lights and dwell meters...
Its the mentality of refusing change is more of the problem.....30 years in a dangerous trade were enough for me, because many things we did the only safety, was thinking things through and hoping nothing went wrong and injured or killed someone.....They had family's and they were my responsibility.....PERIOD!
Its the mentality of refusing change is more of the problem.....30 years in a dangerous trade were enough for me, because many things we did the only safety, was thinking things through and hoping nothing went wrong and injured or killed someone.....They had family's and they were my responsibility.....PERIOD!
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I embrace technology daily, but all that is new does not make all new better!
dickfoster
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So is "Get a horse".Catchy!!!!!
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Ton of respect for Chucky. He is at least 50 times smarter than I was at the same age. I like his you tube vids, and it's clear he is a quality welder and fabricator. Tractor operating is not his first love.
It seems that that the weak spot of some Mahindra models is the electronics. With all the highly skilled engineers coming out of India, this is a bit surprising to me. It would be worth while for Mahindra to solve this issue before they get a bad rep. I looked at a 3016 a few years ago, thought it was a capable machine, but didn't get my heart pumping, plus, no service dept. at that location, had to take it to a different shop for warranty work. Didn't seem like they were all in.
It seems that that the weak spot of some Mahindra models is the electronics. With all the highly skilled engineers coming out of India, this is a bit surprising to me. It would be worth while for Mahindra to solve this issue before they get a bad rep. I looked at a 3016 a few years ago, thought it was a capable machine, but didn't get my heart pumping, plus, no service dept. at that location, had to take it to a different shop for warranty work. Didn't seem like they were all in.
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My 2008 Mahindra 5525 (55 hp engine, 2WD, 8F/2R partially synchronized gear granny) had starting problems twice in the 7 years I owned that beast.
First time it was dust/dirt in the key switch in the 3rd or 4th year. A little work with a pick, a squirt of WD-40 and a few wiggles of the key--problem solved.
The other time the problem was bad connections on the battery ground cable. A little work with a metal file fixed it.
ChuckE2000's tractor looks a lot like mine except for the front end. His is really screwy. To get to the air filters and the battery on my 5525, you unscrew six thumb screws to remove the one-piece grill. The filters and the battery are right there in front of you at waist height. Super easy to work on. Don't know why Lance's smaller tractor is such a mess up front.
I was very fortunate to have an excellent Mahindra dealer (Dave's Tractor in Red Bluff, CA, TBN handle "DavesTractor"). Never had a minute's dealer problem in the time I owned that 5525. Only had that tractor in his shop twice. First for the 50 hour service since I think it's best to have the dealer's service guys check the stuff in the oil and at the tractor in general. The second was when I had the skid steer quick attach unit installed. My ranch was about 20 miles from Dave's place. We negotiated the transportation fees both times.
I'm aware of the horror stories that have been posted here on TBN regarding dealings with Mahindra USA in Houston. Fortunately I never had to thrash things out with those folks over warranty issues or shoddy workmanship.
First time it was dust/dirt in the key switch in the 3rd or 4th year. A little work with a pick, a squirt of WD-40 and a few wiggles of the key--problem solved.
The other time the problem was bad connections on the battery ground cable. A little work with a metal file fixed it.
ChuckE2000's tractor looks a lot like mine except for the front end. His is really screwy. To get to the air filters and the battery on my 5525, you unscrew six thumb screws to remove the one-piece grill. The filters and the battery are right there in front of you at waist height. Super easy to work on. Don't know why Lance's smaller tractor is such a mess up front.
I was very fortunate to have an excellent Mahindra dealer (Dave's Tractor in Red Bluff, CA, TBN handle "DavesTractor"). Never had a minute's dealer problem in the time I owned that 5525. Only had that tractor in his shop twice. First for the 50 hour service since I think it's best to have the dealer's service guys check the stuff in the oil and at the tractor in general. The second was when I had the skid steer quick attach unit installed. My ranch was about 20 miles from Dave's place. We negotiated the transportation fees both times.
I'm aware of the horror stories that have been posted here on TBN regarding dealings with Mahindra USA in Houston. Fortunately I never had to thrash things out with those folks over warranty issues or shoddy workmanship.
AchingBack
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Evidently, before bypassing those two switches, he had already eliminated the seat switch, or did I miss seeing him mention it?
My Mahindra 2615 has two switches, neutral safety, and PTO. I almost always start it from the ground.
I would never consider by passing any of my switches.
My Mahindra 2615 has two switches, neutral safety, and PTO. I almost always start it from the ground.
I would never consider by passing any of my switches.
"He used the shotgun method by trying this and trying that and then still not fixing it etc. BUT he did get it running." <<<<I knew there was a reason why I like Chucky's vids. just couldn't put my finger on it............same kinda skills I have.
I'd say it's not chucks fault for working on the wiring, it's Mahindas fault for not making a safety switch that wont last a year. My tractor is almost ten years and the neutral switch still functions with out issue. Me, I hate change, but do like improvements.
