Weak Loader Curl Possible Solution For the Max28

[dickfoster]

What's the stuff called rain that you're talking about? Oh yeah, I remember now, it's liquid water falling from the sky, an annual event out here but that was about six or seven months ago the last time that happened.

 

[mike69440]

Getting some 3' x' 3 X 8' compressed hay bales to feed out the the cows.

I checked to see if The Max28 could lift one of these 700-800 lbs big square before my wife bought them.

I was using my clamp on pallet forks.

If the bales were another 100 lbs or so, I doubt the Max could lift them so We better keep them dry.

I'm also glad I have 750 Lbs Counter weight on the 3 Pt Hitch.

I got some of the cylinders back for the L39.

Until I get the L39 put back together, The Max will have to do.

 

[drajj5]

Lift 700+Lb Square? Not sure I have seen one of those...... I have not had the opportunity to bring my Max into the shop for my upgrade yet! We have been using the thing so much clearing land, setting fence for additional pasture our tractor hasn't really gotten a break. We use traditional square bales for our critters, they aren't nearly that heavy. No sense in purchasing 'rounds' as we do not have that many mouths to feed at on time.
Good to see that you have logged some hours with the Max after the modification. I am sure you weren't expecting to work it as hard as you have; however it seems to be holding up and surprising you at the same time!
Hopefully this fall......things will slow down and I too can modify mine.

I did rent an L39 years ago to backset 'forms' for a retaining wall-(barn). It performed the job flawlessly but did take some time getting used to the float function of the bucket; I was also a inexperienced operator back then too!

 

[mike69440]

Re: Weak Loader Curl Possible Solution For the Max28 (Bucket forks)

Lift 700+Lb Square? Not sure I have seen one of those...... I have not had the opportunity to bring my Max into the shop for my upgrade yet! We have been using the thing so much clearing land, setting fence for additional pasture our tractor hasn't really gotten a break. We use traditional square bales for our critters, they aren't nearly that heavy. No sense in purchasing 'rounds' as we do not have that many mouths to feed at on time.
Good to see that you have logged some hours with the Max after the modification. I am sure you weren't expecting to work it as hard as you have; however it seems to be holding up and surprising you at the same time!
Hopefully this fall......things will slow down and I too can modify mine.

I did rent an L39 years ago to backset 'forms' for a retaining wall-(barn). It performed the job flawlessly but did take some time getting used to the float function of the bucket; I was also a inexperienced operator back then too!

Picture an 8' Box of Kleenex Tissue and your have an idea what these big rectangular bales look like.

Better yet, I'll have to post a picture with the Max 28 with the bucket forks.

Sunday I welded (crappy welds I that make) a pair of plates to the bottom of the max bucket so the bucket forks that were made for the L39 do no keep slipping off.

The L39 Needs to get finished by September, I need it back.

So I did not have to walk my excavator and take down electric fence, my neighbor who is renting a SV90 CTL moved a big old stump out of my road path that I pulled a few years ago.
CTL's really scoot, in close quarters way faster than a tractor. (Or Excavator)
I suspect the Max may have been able to push it, but why take the chance of breaking it?

Unless they are rotten the Max is pretty useless trying to take even small stumps out with the bucket, so I do not try.

 

[mike69440]

Working hard at 162 hours.

Moving dirt, rocks and firewood, Hay, and all sorts of stuff with the carry all.

I have built over 150' of road thru a gully, it is slow work with a little tractor.

The town has dropped off 10 or so loads of fill.

I've been picking the rocks, roots, stumps and sticks out.

I'm too cheap to use a $1,000 worth of processed gravel, but will put down 2-3" of good gravel as a final top cover.

I found this little pebble in one of the loads.

With suitable counter weight, any Max26/28 should be able to lift a rock this size, but scooping it up out of the pile, the larger curl cylinders proved their worth.

I'm also glad I reinforced the bucket.

 

[mike69440]

Re: Working hard at 162 hours.

173 hours so far, about 73 with the upgraded bucket Cylinders.
I would have a tough time with the stock cylinders, considering all the spoils I have moved.
Taking a full bucket in hard packed material is not a struggle.
When the foliage turns, I'll post some photo's of the road thru the woods expansion.

 

[mike69440]

Max28 in better shape and working harder than me.

I Herniated my disc again, should not even been on the tractor.

Saturday after just a bit of work, I stiffened up so bad I can barely walk afterwards.

The roofing crew cam Saturday morning and was going to hand carry the sheets to the other side of the barn.
I did not want the roofing crew carrying the panels sheet by sheet to the other side of the barn, as they surely would have been scratched up in the process.
it was little Max28 to the rescue.

First I needed to move the +1,500 lb crate of the longer 28 foot panels to get at the 18 ft panels.

The Max could barely lift the ends, getting really light in the back, even with counterweight.
I calculated he weigh of he panels in the 18 crate to be a bit over 900 lbs, and the weight of my forks and the crate itself to be about 100 lbs, so the Max was able to carry 1,000, of load over 1 forward of the bucket edge.

I could not ask any more of the little guy.

My neighbor was kind enough to install the backhoe trunion swing cylinders on my L39, so a little more progress has been made on the L39 hydraulic rebuild. I still need to get the front bucket curl cylinders back from the hydraulic shop and weld new bushings on the worn 4 bar bucket linkage. The L39 rebuild is turning out be lot more involved than he upgrades I have made to my Max28.

 

[mike69440]

Re: Max28 in better shape and working harder than me.

I Herniated my disc again, should not even been on the tractor.

Saturday after just a bit of work, I stiffened up so bad I can barely walk afterwards.

The roofing crew cam Saturday morning and was going to hand carry the sheets to the other side of the barn.
I did not want the roofing crew carrying the panels sheet by sheet to the other side of the barn, as they surely would have been scratched up in the process.
it was little Max28 to the rescue.

First I needed to move the +1,500 lb crate of the longer 28 foot panels to get at the 18 ft panels.

The Max could barely lift the ends, getting really light in the back, even with counterweight.
I calculated he weigh of he panels in the 18 crate to be a bit over 900 lbs, and the weight of my forks and the crate itself to be about 100 lbs, so the Max was able to carry 1,000, of load over 1 forward of the bucket edge.

I could not ask any more of the little guy.

My neighbor was kind enough to install the backhoe trunion swing cylinders on my L39, so a little more progress has been made on the L39 hydraulic rebuild. I still need to get the front bucket curl cylinders back from the hydraulic shop and weld new bushings on the worn 4 bar bucket linkage. The L39 rebuild is turning out be lot more involved than he upgrades I have made to my Max28.

L39 is back together, stronger and better than ever.
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...5344-upsized-hydraulic-clyinders-loaders.html

 

[s219]

So how's your back? Better I hope! Got any more pictures of the roof install? Did they put it down right over the old shingles?

 

[mike69440]

So how's your back? Better I hope! Got any more pictures of the roof install? Did they put it down right over the old shingles?

I finally had my appointment follow-up with the neurosurgeon. Back is not going to get better by itself. It is pinching a nerve to my leg and has somewhat damaged the nerve. He says the fix is old fashioned Disc fusion and then rehab. Be laid up for 3 Weeks and 3-4 month to fully recover.
My Brother is terminally I'll so I'm not thinking about back surgery. If I'm careful and lift straight I can pick 100 Lbs dead lift. Going to get a better back brace. I used to Pick up 200- 300 Lbs!
I can tell when I'm loading up my spine, so as long as i don't rupture it more , I'm stable for now.

The original asphalt shingles are still on roof. Roof was not leaking, and was 1 layer. Hi temp fabric and Bituthene® 4000 underlayment was used, and Roofer did a good job. 24 gage roof is a heavy roof. What He did still maintains warrantee on roof.

Final wiring on Solar not completed. It 's control system is wireless, relying on the internet.
So much for being a Prepper when the SHTF.

 

[mike69440]

So how's your back? Better I hope! Got any more pictures of the roof install? Did they put it down right over the old shingles?

My Back will have to get fixed at some point. Ugh!

Solar is up and making power, about 500 KW so far this month.

If you are lazy about shade and keeping snow off the panels, definitily go with Micro-Inverters vs. String Inverters so a bit of shade will not take out and entire row of panels.

As can be seen, some trees are going to firewood around the barn come spring.

 

[slharman1]

Re: Weak Loader Curl Possible Solution For the Max28 (Drawings attached)

If anyone wants i can PM you a spreadshead to caculate how much changinging cylinder size will effect capacity.

I can consider haveing Cylinders for othe loaders done also.

Attached are some cylinder drawings for the upsized Max28 with Ml205 loader.

I am interested in upsizing the curl force for the 38L loader on my 2538
any help would be appreciated. Please email my slharman1@yahoo account.
Thanks

 

[LD1]

Re: Weak Loader Curl Possible Solution For the Max28 (Drawings attached)

I am interested in upsizing the curl force for the 38L loader on my 2538
any help would be appreciated. Please email my slharman1@yahoo account.
Thanks

Your best bet would be to post in the forum's. Too many spammers use email, and this is your first post so it sounds fishy

 

[mike69440]

Re: Weak Loader Curl Possible Solution For the Max28 (Drawings attached)

Your best bet would be to post in the forum's. Too many spammers use email, and this is your first post so it sounds fishy

I sent him a PM.

 

[mike69440]

Re: Weak Loader Curl Possible Solution For the Max28 (Drawings attached)

I found this amusing

Quote Originally Posted by BrokeFarmerJohn

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/buying-pricing-comparisons/375361-market-new-tractor.html Post #10

HP has nothing to do with lift capacity, very very little, it's all hydraulic pressure.

Here is two examples, 1. Ballast is very important with little compacts. 2. Proof a little tractor can lift a round bale, this one is 26hp, I remembered this video because my buddy bought a 2013 28XL last fall and was concerned about what it was capable of.

Mahindra 26XL lift test...lol - YouTube

With a proper ballast this little tractor could unload a single stacked trailer, it has the lift capability to double stack round bales, on paper it should.

The 26XL is rated at 1400lb lift capacity at 84 inches

http://mahindrausa.com/sites/default/files/tractor/pdf/23386 MAH54MAXT4 MAX Ser Bro 092016_0.pdf

I personally would step up to the 1500 series frame to handle a lot of round bales when weight is more your friend.

Those who have read my threads know I have worked my Max28 hard, occasionally lifting an moving over 1,000 lbs, but after watching this Video and a few others, I come to realize why manufactures are afraid to put beefy loaders on small tractors.

The pure stupidity of attempting a maximum weight lift with weight that far forward, and then some one in the video saying "Ok Lift it to max height" I wonder if the operator had his seat-belt on?

PS that was a small round bale.

PS I recommend that heavy lifts should be done in 2WD. If the rears get light and spin moving the tractor, put the weight down and find a bigger tractor.
Here is anothe video.
Mahindra MAX28XL lifting with Titan pallet forks - YouTube
At least there was the counterweight of a backhoe in the above video.
IMHO the 2545 is as small a tractor you would want to single stack round bales. The 2545 has limited lift height.

Many damp large bales weigh over 1,500 Lbs. I would not attempt maximum capacity lifts more than a few inches off the ground with my Max28, even with my curl cylinder upgrades and my large counterweight. The loader is jerky and the tractor frame is about two sizes too small, just too dangerous. Picking up loads on less than level solid ground with too small a tractor spells disaster.

 

[JoeyDude]

Re: Weak Loader Curl Possible Solution For the Max28 (Drawings attached)

Here is anothe video.
Mahindra MAX28XL lifting with Titan pallet forks - YouTube
At least there was the counterweight of a backhoe in the above video.

I was actually surprised my Mahindra lifted it that high before the hydraulics maxed out -- I only went that high for the video. When I moved that load across the yard, maybe 6" above the ground, I was creeping along at a snails pace. The backhoe certainly adds a nice counterweight, particularly when I extend it out rearwards.

This is a great thread / writeup. Thanks for the info!

 

[mike69440]

Re: Weak Loader Curl Possible Solution For the Max28 (Drawings attached)

See the tread link below for a view of a rock my L39 could not carry. The L39's strong Backhoe struggled to get it out of the ground. I doubt an Mpower 85 could lift this rock.
See Post #50
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...r-5.html?highlight=Do+you+have+enough+tractor

The Max28 was able to roll over these rocks my L39 did carry in the attached pictures below. Close to 3,000 lbs.

Max 26 handling round bales - YouTube
PS This is a little tractor with a flexy frame. It will not handle wet bales with the loader, especially on uneven ground.

The 3 Pt is a beast, so you could move bales with a spear on the rear. That is only safe way.

Kubota is a nice tractor, weaker but nice.
Mahindra vs. Kubota at Moe's Outdoor Equipment & Supplies! (217) - YouTube
First off , the salesman is a sales, has little understanding what he is talking about for some points. What he said about the mid point PTO is reversed, the Kubota runs at the higher RPM for same motor speed. Hp for HP, the Kubota is torquery. Although the Shuttle is slick, it is not fully synchronized, only the forward/reverser. Max26/28 has aluminum Gear case covers, etc. which the 3 point bolts to. Max is about 200 Lbs heavier, no big deal.

 

[River Valley Landscaping]

Re: Weak Loader Curl Possible Solution For the Max28 (Drawings attached)

See the tread link below for a view of a rock my L39 could not carry. The L39's strong Backhoe struggled to get it out of the ground. I doubt an Mpower 85 could lift this rock.
See Post #50
Mowing - Do you have enough tractor?

The Max28 was able to roll over these rocks my L39 did carry in the attached pictures below. Close to 3,000 lbs.

Max 26 handling round bales - YouTube
PS This is a little tractor with a flexy frame. It will not handle wet bales with the loader, especially on uneven ground.

The 3 Pt is a beast, so you could move bales with a spear on the rear. That is only safe way.

Kubota is a nice tractor, weaker but nice.
Mahindra vs. Kubota at Moe's Outdoor Equipment & Supplies! (217) - YouTube
First off , the salesman is a sales, has little understanding what he is talking about for some points. What he said about the mid point PTO is reversed, the Kubota runs at the higher RPM for same motor speed. Hp for HP, the Kubota is torquery. Although the Shuttle is slick, it is not fully synchronized, only the forward/reverser. Max26/28 has aluminum Gear case covers, etc. which the 3 point bolts to. Max is about 200 Lbs heavier, no big deal.

Hey mike I realize this is an old thread but it is an awesome writeup on some adjustments that can be made to tractors today that seem to lack in one way of another. Great job. I own an older 98ish Allmand 25k TLB and I am trying to design a quick attach. I was wondering if you would be able to take some measurements on your bucket ears for comparison. Your loader seems almost like a newer version of the loader on my tractor. I have 1” pins spaced at 7 5/8” on the loader bucket ears. 29 3/8” inside to inside of loader bucket ear bracket and 37 3/8” outside to outside of loader bucket ear bracket.