YM2210 'Range' Shifting Problem

[Todd8665]

To the regular reader crowd - I have eluded to a issue I was having shifting..perhaps even eluded to shifting into either 3rd or 4th on my gearshift. This post is both a request on possible fixes and an explanation to my particular 'work around'/not quite fix to the issue.


I've had a difficult time shifting into both third and fourth on my ym2210 BD, as long as I have owned it (3rd/4th winter now?), that started to be a issue more this winter. So i began experimenting shifting into these gears while in use...facing uphill, facing down, rock tractor forward a bit after running backward/vice-versa when going forward, to the eternal trying to find just the right position to make the shift. It always went, but I was doing everything not to FORCE it into gear. Shifting to 4th always felt shy of being fully engaged.

Following that I popped the smaller cover that simply holds the gear shift lever onto the larger cover plate(which holds the 'range shift' lever and the PTO range selection lever. Peeked into see what I could see. Then I took the larger cover plate that holds both levers off and did the same... Never saw anything alarming...


So the other day, after a few days of being warm and me having scraped the driveway down, i drive the tractor into the blacktop and felt the 4x4 grab on the freshly exposed super grippy surface. So I take it out of 4x4 and immediately think(also stuff).... I should try and shift from 3rd to 4th. I try, and it's stiff, but feels somewhat different than it has in the past. I back sift lever out to neutral, then let the brake off and roll a smidgen to a 'neutral' position, then try I 3rd...nice and smooth, pull back to 4th and it too went in quite easily. I continued to experiment and must admit that shifting into and out of 3rd and 4th went much smoother - dare i say even normally - when either not in 4x4, or in 4x4 but i have the front tires lifted of the ground with the bucket.. I have even tested with the front tires on glare ice (something I happen to have a commodity of today) and have found that it is still easier to shift when either not in 4wd, or with the front wheels in the air... This 'stiff 3rd/4th shifting has occurred with both stock and aftermarket tires...

I realize now that...i spend quite a bit of time in 4wd. I've always been good about not driving on the blacktop in 4wd during the summer, but winter i hardly take it out of 4wd.

Regardless, I no longer have to roll the tractor around looking for that 'spot' where it will go into 3rd/4th. I just lift the front wheels off the ground with the bucket and shift. I know I have a "bind", but experimenting with different sized tires to get it to shift or not, or just lift the tires off the ground and shift?? hmmm... No easy solution?

 

[normde2001]

I see your prob started with Hoye's turf tire kit. Suspect mismatched sizes or wrong air pressure. You say same prob with stock tires. what were stock sizes? Stock, 9.5 x 24 and 6-14. Try raising/lowering f/r air pressure, (changes rolling circumference), and see if better/worse.

 

[Todd8665]

I see your prob started with Hoye's turf tire kit. Suspect mismatched sizes or wrong air pressure. You say same prob with stock tires. what were stock sizes? Stock, 9.5 x 24 and 6-14. Try raising/lowering f/r air pressure, (changes rolling circumference), and see if better/worse.

Nope, I had the same issue with the 9.5 x 24 and 6-14's prior to the turfs. Might be accentuated now, but definitely there from the get go. Love the turf tires even if they are part of the mix.

I'll take your advice and check to see what I have to work with as far as air pressure.

 

[California]

Could that be a VN refurb with an unexpected gear ratio in one of the differentials?

 

[Todd8665]

Could that be a VN refurb with an unexpected gear ratio in one of the differentials?

That blows my mind a bit...can't deny the possibility. Be it Wrong gear put in, in Vietnam; or wrong gear put in Topeka Kansas

As far as being VN 'origin'... I know the tractor entered the US market place in Little Miami tractor company and has the UTD stickers and safety garb.

 

[kenmac]

It it came through Wayne,, I really doubt it being a VN tractor build.
It sure is a long way from home

 

[California]

He got his straight from Japan, then possibly later brokered tractors from Fredricks (?). So no VN tinkering.

But there's always the chance the yard in Japan, or the farmer who traded it in, swapped out a bad front axle.

I think all you can do is see if you have the same proportion of front/rear tire revolutions with, then without, the 4wd engaged.

 

[normde2001]

Put a piece of masking tape in same location in ref. to ground on front and rear tire and drive in 4wd. See which dir, if any the tapes move from each other That will tell you if need to go up or down on front tire size. If front tape moves further than rear, front tire too small, or low air pressure.

 

[Todd8665]

Put a piece of masking tape in same location in ref. to ground on front and rear tire and drive in 4wd. See which dir, if any the tapes move from each other That will tell you if need to go up or down on front tire size. If front tape moves further than rear, front tire too small, or low air pressure.

Did this extra hastily when I was pulling tractor out the other day:

With the 3 point snowblower removed.

Rear tire distance traveled in one revolution = 111"
Front tires distance traveled in one revolution = 77"

 

[winston1]

That is 1.44:1. A 6-14 75" circumference and a 9.5-24 124" equals 1.65:1

 

[California]

Rear tire distance traveled in one revolution = 111"
Front tires distance traveled in one revolution = 77"

4wd engaged or disengaged? Now you need to measure the other mode, and compare.

Ideally, measure results driving one side on 2 layers of waxed paper or something that will allow slip when 4wd is engaged.

 

[California]

My first YM186D had 6.00 x 12's on the front when Yanmar spec's 6-12. There is a huge difference. (photo). You could see the front tires clawing their way ahead of their natural track on whatever surface, so I only used 4wd when I needed it.

I didn't feel right selling the tractor like that so I moved the 6.00 x 12's to my present YM186D, the one with a loader, and again seldom use 4wd. I need to buy the right tires for it. I see that R-1's sold now have lower tread than older ones. Who sells 6-12's with original-height tread like in my photo?

 

[Todd8665]

4wd engaged or disengaged? Now you need to measure the other mode, and compare.

Ideally, measure results driving one side on 2 layers of waxed paper or something that will allow slip when 4wd is engaged.

You just want to see me steal the roll of wax paper from the wife (who hasn't used it in months), unroll it in the driveway, watch it blow away in the wind (repeatedly), and then have to answer to 'where did all my wax paper go?!'

Ohhhh i'm onto you California. Not fooling me....:laughing:

 

[HoyeTractor]

Tire sizes are all over the place and I don't understand why. You would think there would be a standard and everyone would just stick to it. Here are two 7-16 R1 tires with the same exact markings and same exact brand. One is easily 3" taller than the other. A 7-16 R1 Firestone falls right in the middle of the two. A Carlisle is a little different too.

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[Todd8665]

Tire sizes are all over the place and I don't understand why. You would think there would be a standard and everyone would just stick to it. Here are two 7-16 R1 tires with the same exact markings and same exact brand. One is easily 3" taller than the other. A 7-16 R1 Firestone falls right in the middle of the two. A Carlisle is a little different too.

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Having shopped the ag tires before switching to turfs i gleamed as much.... Love the turf tire kit I bought from you guys, and have no complaints... I can live with how my shifting is now, now that I know to be extra careful with the 4x4.

 

[Jtullis13]

Todd I have a 2210d that was Fredrick's referb. I just got it about a month ago and after I got it home I realized that I had a very hard time getting it into 2nd gear on my range shifter, I mean very difficult. 3rd & 4th were a little stiff too. I tried several things like tying to shift it into gear when it wasn't running, clutch in or out, tires off the ground and nothing helped. I figured that it was just the way it was. But the other day I really wanted to use it in 2nd gear and I pulled back on it really hard and fast, it went in but went in firmly. When I went to go take it out of 2nd gear it didn't want to come out. When it did come out of 2nd gear it really popped! Now it shifts fine.... I don't know what the problem was, I don't think I broke anything or at least I hope I didn't. I hope it doesn't act up like that again and stays like it is now. Anyone have any thoughts? Maybe the tractor sat to long before I bought it? It was referbed 2 years and only had 1hr put on it in that 2 year period.

 

[Todd8665]

Todd I have a 2210d that was Fredrick's referb. I just got it about a month ago and after I got it home I realized that I had a very hard time getting it into 2nd gear on my range shifter, I mean very difficult. 3rd & 4th were a little stiff too. I tried several things like tying to shift it into gear when it wasn't running, clutch in or out, tires off the ground and nothing helped. I figured that it was just the way it was. But the other day I really wanted to use it in 2nd gear and I pulled back on it really hard and fast, it went in but went in firmly. When I went to go take it out of 2nd gear it didn't want to come out. When it did come out of 2nd gear it really popped! Now it shifts fine.... I don't know what the problem was, I don't think I broke anything or at least I hope I didn't. I hope it doesn't act up like that again and stays like it is now. Anyone have any thoughts? Maybe the tractor sat to long before I bought it? It was referbed 2 years and only had 1hr put on it in that 2 year period.

Boy, i don't know.... Questions:

If the tractor is 4WD; does this happen both in and out of 4WD? Is it stiff to put into 4WD?

Is it hard to shift with the tractor off/not running?


***** Sorry just saw the part about shifting when off.

Does it ever go in easily? Roll it around some and try?

How much free play is there in your clutch?

Don't force it into gear, that is certainly going to make your troubles worse...bent shifter forks..

 

[Jtullis13]

Doesn't matter if it is running or not running. No real play in the clutch. Doesn't matter if it is in 4x4 or 2x4. But like I said ever since I pulled on it real hard and it came out hard it's been fine since then, but that was also 2 weeks ago. Hopefully it's ok. No problems yet so I will keep my fingers crossed. Did you ever get yours figured out?

 

[Todd8665]

My problems all seem to be related to the tire sizes/ratios and 4WD - creates enough bind to cause shifting issues. While in 4WD i have difficulty shifting into/out of 3rd and 4th gear. If i lift the front tires off the ground I can(90% of the time) do the shift no problems. If I lift and it is still stiff I just need to roll a bit and it will go. I plan on keeping an eye out/researching for a lower profile tire (smaller diameter) for the fronts.

 

[kenmac]

I don't know... Mine seems to be difficult (stiff) shifting the ranges too.. Never noticed if it's easier in 4 wd or non 4 wd.. Just always seemed to have been stiff... I mostly shift with the power shift and leave the range in 1 gear