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[roadhunter]

Jim if you decide to buy an inverter SMAW machine. I have my brother-n-law's Everlast PowerArc 200ST. This welder is very impressive with 6010. I'm starting to believe it will stack 6010 better than my Lincoln V350-Pro. And right there with any of my Lincoln SA-200s.
Mark with Everlast takes very good care of us here!:thumbsup:
POWERARC 200ST - Stick Welders | Everlast Generators

The Everlast 200 is quite a bit bigger than the Maxstar/ESAB sized machines which are really small and convenient for portable work.

 

[roadhunter]

Jim,

I had a couple of the 125 Hobart's and it sounds like something is not right with yours only going 4 inches before overheating. Maybe the fan is not working or air passage blocked?? The Hobart 125 machines I had woudl have run those plates without stopping.

 

[Shield Arc]

The Everlast 200 is quite a bit bigger than the Maxstar/ESAB sized machines which are really small and convenient for portable work.

I've never run a Maxstar or ESAB welder. I use to have a Linde VI-206 Mig welder. I understand ESAB bought them out.
I played with the PA-200 ST with my LN-25 wire feeder.

 

[DK35vince]

Jim 4 minutes would be bothersome. Maybe it was due to extension cord? Insufficient generator? If you don't supply it with sufficient power, the volts go down and the amperage goes up and I suppose that can cause problems.

I'm thinking that too!
My Hobart 140 would have no problem welding in those 8x8 plates.

 

[Jim Timber]

I was 20' off the main panel on a 12ga cord. I agree, there very well might be something wrong with mine and I should get in touch with someone about having it checked out.

I never had any issues with my MM130XP, and regret ever selling that thing.

As for getting an inverter stick machine - probably not going to happen any time soon. Too many bills, and too many other tools ahead of it on the list.

 

[sd455dan]

You can always turn it down, but you can't turn it up any farther than it'll go.

Seems like the money part is where folks get hung up. Good welders aren't cheap. Even the cheap welders aren't all that cheap when you start getting into ones that will weld serious thickness'.



Lincoln TIG 300 300 | eBay

Some great deals on the heavy - and heavy duty used I thought I got a bargain on my Tig 300 300- but somebody scored big here on a much newer one. As long as they don't have to pay to ship it far.

 

[Silvic]

but hokayyyyy..... Furu methinks you take forum opinions a little too seriously. You only have to follow my orders if nothing better comes up. :laughing: But nothing will. This will spiral off-topic before anything definitive comes up. It always does because duty-cycle is like chainsaw size, pickup size. Any size you can imagine on the internet - size is king!

Jim 4 minutes would be bothersome. Maybe it was due to extension cord? Insufficient generator? If you don't supply it with sufficient power, the volts go down and the amperage goes up and I suppose that can cause problems.

These welds, all you can see in this pic, 167 inches were done continuously in 25 minutes on a 20% machine, (on generator) continuous welding not shutting down once. It's a LOT more, and higher heat than those 8x8" 1/16" thick plates. BTW 1/16" thick has a known amperage requirement that is significantly below the Hobart 125's capabilities. You might consider othee deficiencies, that 125 is a good machine. I had a Hobart 115 (or 120?) for a few years in the '90s (pre-internet).

I was wiped out though.:shocked: It would take a foreman cracking a whip to get me to do that again.
....no foremans here i'm pretty much unemployable at this point

Sounds like someone is taking things a bit personal for no reason.
This is why I avoid this sub group of TBN. Personalities are really really overly sensitive.

 

[Jim Timber]

You can always turn it down, but you can't turn it up any farther than it'll go.

Seems like the money part is where folks get hung up. Good welders aren't cheap. Even the cheap welders aren't all that cheap when you start getting into ones that will weld serious thickness'.



Lincoln TIG 300 300 | eBay

Some great deals on the heavy - and heavy duty used I thought I got a bargain on my Tig 300 300- but somebody scored big here on a much newer one.

I got a Maxtron 450 and a feeder that I can't remember which one it was (it was a nice one), once for $25. I had to drive an hour to go get it and I should've bought the other 3! They were in the attic space of a big light pole fab plant and listed on CL by the maintenance guy trying to regain the space. Relics from before they upgraded the time before the current equipment. Covered in dust and AS-IS. So I gambled thinking the feeder would be good or easily fixed, and it turned out I was right - plugged in and worked perfect. After checking it out at home on my power supply I took it to my LWS and made a quick $300. Then I sold the Maxtron to a kid for $50 untested. Never did hear back if it worked or not. I didn't know if the Maxtron would work on single phase like the Invisions will, and didn't care enough to rewire it to find out.

 

[Ed of all trades]

I have to agree with bath sides, will my small machine weld longer than the DC? Yes. Is it good for the welder? No. If all you are going to do is weld little repairs than the small machine is fine but even small projects will be have to be put on hold many times if you really don't go over the DC. So there are three groups.
1. People who weld very small things and don't go over a 20% DC.

2. People who weld medium sized things and over the DC and don't care.

3. People who weld medium to large things and care about their welders and won't go over their DC.

If you are in the first or second group the small welders are fine but if you are in the 3rd group you NEED a larger welder with a bigger DC. I for one have been doing medium sized things and have had to wait for the DC. I have some larger jobs I want to do and the 20% DC will not be enough. Ed

 

[Furu]

I have to agree with bath sides, will my small machine weld longer than the DC? Yes. Is it good for the welder? No. If all you are going to do is weld little repairs than the small machine is fine but even small projects will be have to be put on hold many times if you really don't go over the DC. So there are three groups.
1. People who weld very small things and don't go over a 20% DC.

2. People who weld medium sized things and over the DC and don't care.

3. People who weld medium to large things and care about their welders and won't go over their DC.

If you are in the first or second group the small welders are fine but if you are in the 3rd group you NEED a larger welder with a bigger DC. I for one have been doing medium sized things and have had to wait for the DC. I have some larger jobs I want to do and the 20% DC will not be enough. Ed

X2......

 

[Mysfyt]

If building or modifying an enclosed trailer, I think a mig welder would be your best choice. I've only used Miller or Lincoln industrial grade welders so I can't help you with the ones you mentioned.

Include a decent 4-1/2 grinder in the budget if you go with mig. Mig welding isn't very forgiving on rusty or dirty metal.

 

[Big Barn]

I didn't know if the Maxtron would work on single phase like the Invisions will, and didn't care enough to rewire it to find out.

Jim, the Maxtron will run on single OR 3 phase. (100% duty cycle @450 amps on 3 phase. )



Terry

 

[Sodo]

I have some larger jobs I want to do and the 20% DC will not be enough. Ed

OK now thats the jobs we wanna see on the Forum. Pics or it didn't happen! Yu tu Fu Ru! Just kidding don't wanna put you on the spot. But Ed you got a big project we wanna see it :thumbsup:

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

The Everlast 200 is quite a bit bigger than the Maxstar/ESAB sized machines which are really small and convenient for portable work.

How so? The Maxstar 210 is overall bigger. The ESAB is smaller, mostly in width but not as powerful by 40 amps.

SA, I think they have resized the case slightly since the last generation. Do you have a tape you can stick on that unit? Don't have one here right now.

 

[Jim Timber]

Jim, the Maxtron will run on single OR 3 phase. (100% duty cycle @450 amps on 3 phase. )

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Terry

I found that out a while later. I just hadn't tested that machine and didn't want to open it up at the time. I'd already made my money on the feeder so it was another $50 to pay for gas. Having the pulser and all the programs in the Invision, I didn't have any motivation to keep it for myself back then. Now I wish I still had it. I've got another Miller feeder kicking around and no power supply. :laughing: I could send them and an extra bottle of gas up to the cabin and have some real capabilities up there without having to move the Invision.

Heck, I've got a spare XR control and gun right now too. The gun needs new plastics that might not be available anymore, but it still works.

Darn auctions! :ashamed: :laughing:

 

[Shield Arc]

Do you have a tape you can stick on that unit?

6 1/2-inches wide.
11 3/8-inches tall.
15 3/4-inches long / deep.

 

[roadhunter]

How so? The Maxstar 210 is overall bigger. The ESAB is smaller, mostly in width but not as powerful by 40 amps.

SA, I think they have resized the case slightly since the last generation. Do you have a tape you can stick on that unit? Don't have one here right now.

How?? I've owned all 3 and the Everlast is bigger if I remember correctly. I have not owned a 210 maxstar so both machines are much less amperage than 200.

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

Not following. Which machines are you talking about? Are you comparing apples to apples?

 

[Big Barn]

I think (maybe) Mark is talking about the Maxstar 200 which is physically larger than the Maxstar 150's

Edit. Oops. Just realized the Maxstar is now a 210.

Terry

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

I am and he was talking about the Everlast 200, which would in the context be a PA 200. The Maxstar 200 is no longer available. The 210 is the current version.

If you want to drop down to the 150, then the PA 140ST would fall in that range, or the PA 160, or 160STH...which are much smaller in size and about the same capability of a maxstar or esab of the similar performance level.