Turn wheel when tipping over?

[s219]

In the scenario described, turn downhill if the tractor was tipping downhill. However, that assumes two things -- 1) that there is a downhill that is safe, and that 2) you were tipping because the side edge of the tire was the pivot point. There are lots of scenarios where these are not true, so turning downhill won't work!

And there is a separate scenario where a wheel slides over the edge of a hill. I had that happen when clearing snow off my driveway in February this year, going clockwise around a corner. Got a little close to the edge right near a ravine, and between the rear blade acting as a rudder and the slippery driveway, my right rear wheel slid over the edge onto the hill and was set to take the rest of the tractor with it. In that case, I straightened out the front wheels and mashed the HST pedal to gun straight for the middle of the driveway. It was spooky. I came very close that day. Next winter I plan to put up some marker stakes so I don't get too close to the edge.

 

[Grandad4]

In the scenario described, turn downhill if the tractor was tipping downhill. However, that assumes two things -- 1) that there is a downhill that is safe... There are lots of scenarios where these are not true, so turning downhill won't work!

+1 that comment. It's all too easy to get into situations with a) poor odds of success and b) no good recovery options. The classic saying about old pilots and bold pilots probably applies in some measure to equipment operators also.

 

[herringchoker]

The superior pilot/driver/operator is the one who uses his superior judgment to avoid getting into situations that require his superior skill to get out of.

 

[oosik]

Ha, ha, ha - and the superior pilot/driver/operator sure never lets it be known - should he find himself in a situation such as this.

 

[Sodo]

Not to mention the superior operator gets the job done. Perhaps due to experience gained, over time, performing sketchy maneuvers that he felt he had the skill to deal with. Or didn't but learned it without becoming a statistic.

 

[SPYDERLK]

There has been some really great info shared on this thread. I have definitely learned quite a few things about working around hill.! Thanks to everyone for the info and stories shared. Hope it will help me/other newbies stay alive to ride another day!

I have one more question for this subject. I have seen this and others make the statement: (lifted this from another thread) :

"Use your 4wd on the hills so your braking on the rears will also control the fronts, giving you 4 wheel braking as long as it's in gear and the clutch pedal is not depressed."

How does this work? Do the front wheels on my new L2501 4WD DT/FEL actually have brake parts built in? How does the signal get from the rear to front (when in 4WD) to brake when the rears brake? Is this a hydraulic system to the front (I have read about the "wet" brakes)?

Getting down to the nitty gritty of better understanding how this works, as people say.

You will have 4w brakes when a mechanical 4wd is engaged, regardless of the clutch. The clutch, being between engine and transmission, does not affect linkage of the front/rear drive.

Also, momentary use of the downhill brake will aid a turn downhill if you are moving as the uphill wheel lightens. ... Another reason to become accustomed to split brakes.
larry

 

[gwstang]

Also, momentary use of the downhill brake will aid a turn downhill if you are moving as the uphill wheel lightens. ... Another reason to become accustomed to split brakes.
larry

Interesting, I never yet "un-linked" my brake pedals. I don't do much farming though. On the old 8N, I am use to hitting one or the other when turning with a bush hog. Reckon I need to unlink the 'bota so that will be available. I do think one reason I haven't unlinked is because of the power steering. I love that power steering after driving the old N for so many years and having to "man handle" the steering wheel at the end of turns if I wasn't going very fast. Turns easily when going faster, kind of like the old cars that didn't have power steering and in a parking lot going slow it got to being a real chore and bicep builder to park...lol. :laughing:

 

[SPYDERLK]

Yeah! Been there with manual steering.
,,,,You seldom have a situation where split brakes are critical, but you need experience using them so you dont fumble. I think the two biggest impediments to natural acclimation are; 1] Only one pedal locks, and the other has to be locked to it for parking - the ratchet should engage both pedals so you can run unlinked and still park effectively without an extra action, 2] Ergonomic placement of the pedal pair so that application of either or both is easy to accomplish reliably in a flash by 2nd nature.
larry

 

[chim]

This is so true. Just by shutting off the engine and getting into a non-rushed meditative state can work wonders.

That worked for me on a hill back when I was a kid. Had an old Jeep that we were doing some hillclimbing with. About 3/4 of the way up, it lost forward momentum and started to dig in. I decided to dig her in and stand on the brake till I could sort things out. A couple brave buds sat on the front bumper while I descended backwards in 4WD Low.

How about this for presence of mind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McBznI6h2jA

 

[My Hoe]

That worked for me on a hill back when I was a kid. Had an old Jeep that we were doing some hillclimbing with. About 3/4 of the way up, it lost forward momentum and started to dig in. I decided to dig her in and stand on the brake till I could sort things out. A couple brave buds sat on the front bumper while I descended backwards in 4WD Low.

How about this for presence of mind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McBznI6h2jA

Chim,

That youtube video is a wonderful illustration of the benefit's of the O.P.'s question, about turning downhill--well played--and I can't wait to send it to my friends!
:drink:

My Hoe