Tiller Harrows Vs, tillers.

[vtsnowedin]

For what it's worth, their notched disks are 4.5mm

Good to know. I hadn't found that or a complete spec sheet or at least not the right one. A full table showing all their dish harrow products in one place would save a lot of confusion.
So if I'm reading it right I can get a 1249Lb. set of 24- 20" blades for $2835.00 Vs Frontier through John Deere (1256 lbs.) 20-20 on 9" spacing for $4145.00 before you add center sweep or scrapers.

 

[jeff9366]

This spring I want to put in some food plots plus do a better and bigger job on my gardens. I have a two bottom plow but don't have any working harrows. On the food plots I'd still plow and pick rocks before tilling.

I'm not going to try to disk up sod with just the harrows so speed is not essential.

About the heaviest eight foot disk made is a frontier DH1396 Which with nine inch spaced 4 mm thick 22 inch blades weighs 1256 lbs. My 3pth will pick up 3000lbs. Don't worry I can pull it if I can find one for less then $4200.

As you own a plow and plan to plow your food plot areas before discing, I think you would find a Disc Harrow with 20" pans ample. As your tires are loaded, with 1,256 pounds on the hitch, with a significant portion of 1,256 weight transferred to the rear wheels through the Lower Links of the Three Point Hitch, you should consider the cumulative evil of soil compaction.

I am sure you can pull it in the food plot area but you will be mashing down with the rear wheels, especially going up slopes, then sort-of compensating by tilling with the Disc Harrow.

Is the Frontier DH1396 no wider than your tire width?

I would not use DH1396 in the garden. Soil compaction is cumulative.

 

[vtsnowedin]

As you own a plow and plan to plow your food plot areas before discing, I think you would find a Disc Harrow with 20" pans ample, ample. As your tires are loaded, with another 1,256 pounds on the hitch, with a significant portion of 1,256 weight transferred to the rear wheels through the Lower Links of the Three Point Hitch, you should consider the evil of soil compaction.

I am sure you can pull it in the food plot area but you will be mashing down with the rear wheels, especially going up slopes, then sort-of compensating by tilling with the Disc Harrow.

Is the Frontier DH1396 no wider than your tire width?

I would not use this combination in the garden.

Funny only the first sentence of your post actually showed up. Yes a 20inch blade set would probably do. It's interesting that you can get a 1000 lb 8 ft. set from Frontier , the DH 1296 that has 3.5 mm blades but the 1 1/8" axles. the Everything attachments model that goes to 20" blades goes to one inch axles only cuts 90 inches wide and weighs 880.
When your working a set of harrows the weight of the harrows is on the ground and the tractive force of the tires will be spinning up not packing down the soil. As these are food plots that will planted with perennials and perhaps turnips I doubt soil compaction will be an issue. My soil is a stony loam that is very resistant to packing anyway as I will only be working it once every three or four years.
Oh ! I have plenty of width.

 

[jeff9366]

So if I'm reading it right I can get a 1249Lb. set of 24- 20" blades for $2835.00 Vs Frontier through John Deere (1256 lbs.) 20-20 on 9" spacing for $4145.00 before you add center sweep or scrapers.

SWEEP: In rocky soil, a center sweep wil always be vulnerable to bending.

SCRAPERS: Usually, in rocky soil the rocks prevent soil accumulation if you are moving at a good clip; but this is particular to your soil and your soil moisture conditions.

As you do not feel time pressure relative to your food plots, best to wait until food plot areas have dried.

 

[vtsnowedin]

In rocky soil, a center sweep wil always be vulnerable to bending. Usually, in rocky soil the rocks prevent soil accumulation if you are moving at a good clip; but this is particular to your soil and your soil moisture conditions.

As you do not feel time pressure relative to your food plots, best to wait until food plot areas have dried.

Yes I had planned on leaving them out and being patient while it drys out to break up well. I could always add them later if I found I needed them. Might set up a chain harrow from old ice chains and 10 ft. X a two inch diameter rebar I have in the bone pile to do the final smoothing up.

 

[jeff9366]

the Everything attachments model with 20" blades goes to one inch axles only cuts 90 inches wide and weighs 880.

When your working a set of harrows the weight of the harrows is on the ground and the tractive force of the tires will be spinning up not packing down the soil. [??]

Orignally posted by NPALEN:

The difference between the 1" and 1-1/8" shafts (axle) doesn't sound like much but the 1-1/8" is 60% stronger.
The Moment of Inertia, which determines resistance against bending, uses the thickness to the fourth power as part of the calculation.

The grade of steel from which the axle is made is very important also because it determines how far the axle will bend without taking a permanent set.


NPALEN was a Disc Harrow/implement engineer during his working years.

 

[vtsnowedin]

Orignally posted by NPALEN:

The difference between the 1" and 1-1/8" shafts (axle) doesn't sound like much but the 1-1/8" is 60% stronger.
The Moment of Inertia, which determines resistance against bending, uses the thickness to the fourth power as part of the calculation.

The grade of steel from which the axle is made is very important also because it determines how far the axle will bend without taking a permanent set.


NPALEN was a Disc Harrow/implement engineer during his working years.

Thanks for that. I was aware that it wasn't just 26% stronger from a statics course I took many moon ago but had not done the math in decades. I'd much rather have the weight in the stressed parts then in rocks or railroad track piled on top.

 

[Egon]

I have not read all the posts but considering the location a plow, disk harrow and diamond tooth drag harrows would serve you admirably.

Consider looking for a used pull type disk with hydraulics.

 

[C4Ranch]

Good to know. I hadn't found that or a complete spec sheet or at least not the right one. A full table showing all their dish harrow products in one place would save a lot of confusion.
So if I'm reading it right I can get a 1249Lb. set of 24- 20" blades for $2835.00 Vs Frontier through John Deere (1256 lbs.) 20-20 on 9" spacing for $4145.00 before you add center sweep or scrapers.

That's the disc I'm looking at. Plus u can probably get free shipping and no tax out of state.
Here are their specs at the top of their page. ETA axle is also 1 1/8"

The large deluxe box frame disc harrow from Everything Attachments features all of the best hardware from custom bearing hangers, roller bearings, and two crank adjustments to easily change the angle of the front and rear gangs from 0 to 21 degrees. This model of disc harrow can be ordered with 20 or 24, 4.5 mm. notched discs, measuring in 18", 20", and 22" diameters.
Sealed Roller bearings on all discs
1-1/8" square shaft size on 20" and 22" disc models
Frame is 50"x 52", 3" x 3" square tubing 1/4" thick
Side plates are 1/2" thick
Hitch assembly is 3/8" thick steel
7 1/2" disc spacing
5/16" Trunnion Assembly
1 1/8" grade 8 threaded crank assembly, cut angles 0-21 degrees
6'-3 1/2" length, 3'-8 1/2" height with 20" disc
Smooth disc coming soon
Free shipping within 1,000 miles of Newton, NC

 

[vtsnowedin]

I have not read all the posts but considering the location a plow, disk harrow and diamond tooth drag harrows would serve you admirably.

Certainly would. !

Consider looking for a used pull type disk with hydraulics.

Well there are two considerations with that. First, I've been looking around some and there is not much out there this side of Texas and a lot of it is worn comepletly out or way too wide for my tractor. Plus they aren't exactly giving it away. Second a pull type even with hydraulics working transport wheels is not as handy as a three point hitch model for working in small areas around trees etc.. With the three point you can pick it up out of the ground when you want to make a tight turn and you can back into a corner drop it and harrow out.
Still if one in working condition came by at a reasonable price I might go for it.