UFO's... What do you think?

[houstonscott]

Yeah that whole moon landing thing was a hoax....

Not a hoax but not much return. HS

 

[bcp]

PDF from NASA
Benefits from Apollo

 

[/pine]

Not a hoax but not much return. HS

What other single endeavor brought more...in the way of things that Americans take advantage of every day...?

 

[k0ua]

It's my understanding that things like computer technology etc came from the space program (mainly Apollo)...also battery technology that has enabled the use of an array of cordless tools etc...it was the same battery technology that greatly contributed to mobile (cell) phones...

I could be misguided about the origin of technologies but it seems to me that computers, cordless tools and cell phones are a few great advancements in technology...

And were did computers come from?... Bletchly Park... WWII.. Alan Turning... The ultra project. breaking **** codes.. That and the big one at MIT used to compute shell trajectories during WWII.. oh sure you could call Napiers Bones a computer, I suppose. but the big advancemnts in computing hardware and concepts as we know it came from World War II..

 

[k0ua]

Look, I am not a war monger, and World War II destroyed multi-millions of lives, but I also have brains enough to see all of the advancements made to raw science and technology because of war. People invent things in a real big hurry when they think their country might be invaded any day, and they and their loved ones killed. Those that can't invent things, worked their azzes off building things.

 

[k0ua]

When life is easy and you can get by by milking the goats and picking the berries and making love to your woman by the campfire, that is what people will do. And the will do just that for centuries and not invent anything more complex than a better pot to catch the goat milk in. But when the bad guys come and threaten to destroy everything you hold dear, is when you get off of your azz and start thinking about better ways to kill him. That is when you start inventing things like weapons, communications, encryption/decryption, microwave techniques (hey the Brits brought the Cavity Magnetron to MIT in a cigar box and handed it to us) And just where in the He double hockey sticks would you be without a Cavity Magnetron? Well for one thing you would have a really hard time heating up anything in your microwave oven without one.

 

[/pine]

And were did computers come from?... Bletchly Park... WWII.. Alan Turning... The ultra project. breaking **** codes.. That and the big one at MIT used to compute shell trajectories during WWII.. oh sure you could call Napiers Bones a computer, I suppose. but the big advancemnts in computing hardware and concepts as we know it came from World War II..

Granted, but it was the space program that brought about the advancement of the microprocessor and the development of the personal computer...

Cell phones...the basic technology existed long before there were batteries capable of allowing the tech. to be used in compact devices...it was the advancement of battery technology and the reduction in size of microprocessors and other components that were brought about the Apollo and shuttle programs...

A lot of technology developed by DOD initiative takes decades for practical applications/devices to reach the public sector market...Geo-satellite navigation is a good example...which brings up a question of why did the gov. stop working on land based navigation advancement and defund the LORAN network??

You can't run a zapped out satellite on a stand-by generator...!

 

[jerrybob]

I know that at least some Texicans...as well as Okies...don't have much of a problem accepting evolution along with their faith. It's more difficult, however, if you accept only a literal interpretation of the bible.

Yep.....and believe in Santa and the Easter bunny.:thumbsup:

 

[jerrybob]

I was referring to the first report that lead to the words fly saucer.
Kenneth Arnold UFO sighting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
HS

Interesting.....and this was before we legalized marijuana???? Wonder what Ken was smokin back in the 40's??

 

[KiotiKowboy]

I know that at least some Texicans...as well as Okies...don't have much of a problem accepting evolution along with their faith. It's more difficult, however, if you accept only a literal interpretation of the bible.

Oh contraire. Evolution is far more difficult to support than Creation. Evolution depends upon the acceptance of "Everything from Nothing." There are more gaps in that ludicrous theory than an old picket fence.

 

[/pine]

Oh contraire. Evolution is far more difficult to support than Creation. Evolution depends upon the acceptance of "Everything from Nothing." There are more gaps in that ludicrous theory than an old picket fence.

It takes a spark to light a fire...unless you have some linseed rags...!

 

[MossRoad]

Agreed. This is TRAGIC. The reasoning displayed in this twisted logic can be found in the concepts of; "It takes a village." and "Redistribution of Wealth."

I encourage almost all parents to seek out private education and make the sacrifices required for funding.

If you're against the village concept, you can't seriously support letting others teach your kid anything.

When we were kids, we roamed in packs like wild animals, but someone else's mom was always keeping an eye on us. As were all of the neighbors. Almost all parents were involved in the raising of almost all of the neighborhood kids. And my folks mentored many kids, as my folks were teachers and artists and such. That's the village concept and it works. You are your brother's keeper.

Redistribution of wealth... we'd probably agree on.

 

[MossRoad]

And were did computers come from?... Bletchly Park... WWII.. Alan Turning... The ultra project. breaking **** codes.. That and the big one at MIT used to compute shell trajectories during WWII.. oh sure you could call Napiers Bones a computer, I suppose. but the big advancemnts in computing hardware and concepts as we know it came from World War II..

Although we all know the real driver of the internet technology we all enjoy is (contrary to popular mention of a certain former vice president) pornography. :laughing:

 

[MossRoad]

 

[k0ua]

Although we all know the real driver of the internet technology we all enjoy is (contrary to popular mention of a certain former vice president) pornography. :laughing:

So true!:laughing:

 

[ovrszd]

If you're against the village concept, you can't seriously support letting others teach your kid anything.

When we were kids, we roamed in packs like wild animals, but someone else's mom was always keeping an eye on us. As were all of the neighbors. Almost all parents were involved in the raising of almost all of the neighborhood kids. And my folks mentored many kids, as my folks were teachers and artists and such. That's the village concept and it works. You are your brother's keeper.

I very much agree with this. That's how I was raised also. I had many, many parents checking my every move. I couldn't go to the Mall (no malls in my youth) and act like an idiot and get by with it. Someone would smack me up side the head and/or report my behavior to my Mom and/or Dad.

 

[ovrszd]

I'll not express this very well, but here goes.

As to the discussion of which creates more technology, War or NASA. Both are trying to escape the same inevitable truth. We will destroy our selves if left here alone. Both have the same conquer or be conquered mentality. If life was all love-ins and big hugs here on Earth, neither would be needed. But it's not. NASA is frantically looking for a way to escape Earth. WAR realizes that escapes is probably not possible so it wants to be the last one standing. Different approaches, same goal.

 

[/pine]

If you're against the village concept, you can't seriously support letting others teach your kid anything.

When we were kids, we roamed in packs like wild animals, but someone else's mom was always keeping an eye on us. As were all of the neighbors. Almost all parents were involved in the raising of almost all of the neighborhood kids. And my folks mentored many kids, as my folks were teachers and artists and such. That's the village concept and it works. You are your brother's keeper.

Redistribution of wealth... we'd probably agree on.

IMO...
Growing up in the shadow of the 'greatest generation' was wonderful...when just about any kid could put the chain back on their bicycle...and mastering a pinball machine was supreme...
Don't know if life in today's world is harder on parents or their offspring but it seems like it was much easier when we were kids...a lot of family/society values have gone the way of telephone booths since the age of MTV etc...!

 

[cqaigy2]

What other single endeavor brought more...in the way of things that Americans take advantage of every day...?

Not to minimize the advances brought out of the space race.

But here's one that was, i think, very important.
Servicemen's Readjustment Act of 1944, made all of the technological and economic advancements possible. We're still reaping benefits. We need to educate our people.

Back to UFO's, i've spent a great deal of my earlier years outside and have seen a number of UFOs.

One was out towards Yakima gun range, late evening, walking back to the rig after hunting, The sky was a deep red and sun was long set below the horizon, when a number of lights appeared up in sky, low close to the horizon. First light appeared, then a second, a third, a fourth, etc. They followed each other in a falling arc to the ground then disappeared. Buddy i was with was, not exactly freaking out, but pretty excited say's something like, 'holy s**t what was that!'. I told him it must have been a herd of helicopters, turning and landing with a spot light becoming visible. He said my explanation didn't work for him. Now both of us saw UFOs, but reached different conclusions.

Another was back in the 80s, late night, dark no moon, no artificial light. Two of us were standing about 10-15 feet apart, talking when i noticed movement coming from above and behind, right over my head. I said, look, look and pointed at the object. The object was occulting the stars, it was delta shaped, two slight glowing spots on the long trailing edge. No sound, appeared to be moving at a good speed. We talked about it and thought because we couldn't hear anything and the speed of movement, either very large and a long distance up in the air and moving at an incredibly high speed, or closer and a more reasonable size and speed but still with out sound that reach us. Still don't know what we saw, but years later i saw a B-2 and did a double take.

 

[/pine]

I'll not express this very well, but here goes.

As to the discussion of which creates more technology, War or NASA. Both are trying to escape the same inevitable truth. We will destroy our selves if left here alone. Both have the same conquer or be conquered mentality. If life was all love-ins and big hugs here on Earth, neither would be needed. But it's not. NASA is frantically looking for a way to escape Earth. WAR realizes that escapes is probably not possible so it wants to be the last one standing. Different approaches, same goal.

In reality, America's space program (NASA) is really just an arm of the DOD...so it is easy to look at the Apollo program as a act of a cold war...it was an effort that had the backing of the populous...

...It's a shame that other than the Apollo space program...in my lifetime (other than the "miracle on ice") the only other happening that brought America together was the 911 attack...

What America lacks most is leadership that is capable of bringing that same type of unification and patriotism...