sheet rock question

[logan97]

We are going to have some sheet rock installed. Evidently the new norm is to glue the rock on with a minimum of screws or nails. Anyone have an opinion about this method.

 

[s219]

Yep, that's how they do it now. Although I remember that they didn't glue everything in our new home -- I think there are certain places where you don't want glue.

 

[Rock knocker]

We are going to have some sheet rock installed. Evidently the new norm is to glue the rock on with a minimum of screws or nails. Anyone have an opinion about this method.

Not that I've heard, and I'm only a commercial construction superintendent. Won't pass code anyplace where code, siesmicity or extreme wind loading of a structure is the concern.

 

[Rock knocker]

One can look at the American Gypsum Associations design guide to see what is accepted by the industry

http://www.gypsum.org/

 

[bcp]

I have a 40-50 year old house built that way. A nail at the top and bottom of each stud.

I tried magnetic stud finders (didn't work) before I discovered this.

Bruce

 

[oosik]

Yes, but it is not my opinion, its what the building code requires. Glueing sheetrock to the studs will not even begin to meet code in my county. You can use glue along with the required nails and or screws. It simply does not have the structural integrity that a nail or screw gives the sheetrock.

 

[ultrarunner]

In 1985 I was working on a home build in Austria and the drywall was "Glued" to the cinderblock interior walls...

Almost 30 years and this is how they still do it...

 

[EddieWalker]

Only place I've ever seen that done is in mobile homes. I couldn't tell the difference, it looked normal and there wasn't anything to suggest it was glued up, but it sure was a mess taking it down!!!!!

I like screws. I can get a box of screws for under $20 to do a room. What does the glue cost? Is this just for walls, or do they glue the ceiling on too?

In homes with sunken floors, I've used liquid nails to glue the bottom of the sheetrock in place. Did the same with the baseboards.

Eddie

 

[mbohuntr]

If you or anyone in the future is going to replace that rock, plan on twice the demo and cost as the stud will need to be either scabbed out or replaced.

Good luck. IMO this practice only makes the initial install quicker for the contractor, and darn near impossible to replace the rock if needed due to mold, water damage, electrical repairs etc.

I would personally forbid the contractor from doing it!

 

[SSdoxie]

The construction crews I worked on back in late 70's & 80's used glue on interior walls, but this was before screws were the norm and used glue to help keep nails from popping loose. Still nailed center of the rock 2 nails 2" apart every 2'. This was on interior wall only because code called for vapor barrier on exterior walls and ceiling.

 

[farmer2009]

Had some drywall repairs in a mobile home once that was glued. Had to hand chisel the glue off careful not to remove too much wood. Small patches took three times the time.

I personally wouldn't want mine glued. And if the refused to screw it in place would be looking for a different crew.

 

[paulharvey]

Only place I've ever seen that done is in mobile homes. I couldn't tell the difference, it looked normal and there wasn't anything to suggest it was glued up, but it sure was a mess taking it down!!!!!

I like screws. I can get a box of screws for under $20 to do a room. What does the glue cost? Is this just for walls, or do they glue the ceiling on too?

In homes with sunken floors, I've used liquid nails to glue the bottom of the sheetrock in place. Did the same with the baseboards.

Eddie

I some times disagree with Eddie (ie 2x4 trusses) but I 100% agree this time. I would use all screws. Nails pop as the woods expands and contracts; screws hold good, and can be removed before you mud the heads.

 

[mbohuntr]

Had some drywall repairs in a mobile home once that was glued. Had to hand chisel the glue off careful not to remove too much wood. Small patches took three times the time.

I personally wouldn't want mine glued. And if the refused to screw it in place would be looking for a different crew.

^ This!!!

 

[yelbike]

If you or anyone in the future is going to replace that rock, plan on twice the demo and cost as the stud will need to be either scabbed out or replaced.

Good luck. IMO this practice only makes the initial install quicker for the contractor, and darn near impossible to replace the rock if needed due to mold, water damage, electrical repairs etc.

I would personally forbid the contractor from doing it!

I feel the same way about spray foam. I realize it insulates better but wow what mess if you half the remove it for a future reno.

 

[s219]

The main reason they are using construction adhesive is to minimize nail pops, which also happens with screws. Don't matter what the faster is if the sheet moves and puckers around the fastener. Some if you seem to think its a shortcut, but it's done to improve results (and it takes longer since it adds a step). Our drywall guy said it cut way back on his warranty repairs. I can believe it -- we have only one pop in a 2900 sq ft house after 1 year, which is quite good considering how much the structure settles in that first year.

 

[EddieWalker]

Whey does the sheetrock pop from the nail holes? Usually because the sheetrock isn't tight against the stud and it's moving around on the wall. Best way to fix that is put a screw above and below to problem and snug it down without breaking the paper. The other reason is the house is moving too much and it wont matter how the sheetrock is attached.

Eddie

 

[paulharvey]

That or from misses that no one pulls. Really shouldn't get pops with good tight, slightly dimpled screws.

 

[Threepoint]

The main reason they are using construction adhesive is to minimize nail pops, which also happens with screws. Don't matter what the faster is if the sheet moves and puckers around the fastener. Some if you seem to think its a shortcut, but it's done to improve results (and it takes longer since it adds a step). Our drywall guy said it cut way back on his warranty repairs. I can believe it -- we have only one pop in a 2900 sq ft house after 1 year, which is quite good considering how much the structure settles in that first year.

+1. For residential construction, glued and screwed, absolutely, IMO.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

We are going to have some sheet rock installed. Evidently the new norm is to glue the rock on with a minimum of screws or nails. Anyone have an opinion about this method.

We are General Contractors, have installed tens of thousands of boards of sheet rock. Glue won't hurt, but still needs to be screwed off every 12 to 16 inches in the field, and 8 to 10 inches on the seams. Any less is just " cheap ". Probably should ask your local building dept. for code compliance.

 

[HillStreet]

There is a recently developed "lightweight" Sheetrock on the market now. I don't know much about it but saw it advertised in lumberyards. As for glueing the board to studs, I have seen it done but not in my own houses.

My current house is 5 years old now and no pops to screws or nails have occurred. You should definitely get the approval of code enforcement about the glue method.