What trailer for 4047?

[lsfish]

My old 18" utility trailer with 3500 lb axles and extra springs and brakes on one axle was OK for moving my tractor from pasture to pasture but now I have a ways to go back and forth for a while and am gonna get a new trailer with 5K axles and brakes on both axles.

What size trailer do you guys use? As in, what is the inside width? And what length? I found a 6.5' width 16 ft with 2' dovetail at a fairly reasonable price. But wondering if I need to go up in dimensions.
I have made the deal but not taken delivery of the 4047 yet due to this trailer situation.

 

[TSO]

I had been using my 16' dual 3500# axle utility trailer, and it did the job, but I was maxing it out. I sold it and finally picked up a trailer that could properly handle the tractor.

I now have a PJ 10000 lb 20' dovetail (18 + 2) equipment hauler with spring loaded ramps. Much better trailer, much more stable than the other one.

I was going to go with a heavier rated trailer, but decided on the 10k. My tractor weighs in around 5500 lbs so it still gives me 2500 more lbs I can add onto it along with the tractor (trailer weighs around 2000lbs). If down the road, I need more capacity ... I'll just swap in bigger axles, or buy a another trailer.

I wouldn't want to go shorter than 20ft... I would've gone with 22, but that is a special order size. The price jump from 16 to 18 to 20 isn't much.

Good luck!

 

[LD1]

10k for sure.

Length will depend on how you are configured when towing. Are you getting the tractor with loader??

 

[lsfish]

10k for sure.

Length will depend on how you are configured when towing. Are you getting the tractor with loader??

Yes to loader. WIll need to transport tractor, loader, and bushhog. Haven't measured but don't even know if this will fit on 16'+2' dovetail trailer.

 

[LD1]

Doubting it will fit.

I had an 18+2 that the only way to get my smaller tractor + FEL + 6' cutter on was to back on and put the tailwheel almost on the ball hitch. Couldnt leave it hang off the back cause it had fold up ramps.

This is what mine looks like on a 20+5 GN trailer. Tailwheel is about 18" to 2' beyond the flat.



And your tractor is listed at 132" length with the 3PH. Mine is listed @ 106" w/o and with adds only maybe 8". So your tractor is a good 18" longer, and thats not counting if the loader sticks out farther.....

I'd say you need at least 20' flat + some dove at a minimum. But I would measure it first. a 6' bushhog is going to add a good 8' counting the tailwheel. And thats from the 3PH arms, not the back tires.

 

[TSO]

Doubting it will fit.

I had an 18+2 that the only way to get my smaller tractor + FEL + 6' cutter on was to back on and put the tailwheel almost on the ball hitch. Couldnt leave it hang off the back cause it had fold up ramps.

This is what mine looks like on a 20+5 GN trailer. Tailwheel is about 18" to 2' beyond the flat.

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And your tractor is listed at 132" length with the 3PH. Mine is listed @ 106" w/o and with adds only maybe 8". So your tractor is a good 18" longer, and thats not counting if the loader sticks out farther.....

I'd say you need at least 20' flat + some dove at a minimum. But I would measure it first. a 6' bushhog is going to add a good 8' counting the tailwheel. And thats from the 3PH arms, not the back tires.

You can gain another foot or so by parking the tractor with the bucket fully dumped & curled under.

In your picture, you have the bucket flat ...

 

[LD1]

You can gain another foot or so by parking the tractor with the bucket fully dumped & curled under.

In your picture, you have the bucket flat ...

Its a little less than that the way my bucket is designed. Maybe 6". The cutting edge comes back, but the top lip goes forward. I tried several ways when I was using my 18+2. But with the 20+5 GN, its no longer a concern. so I park it flat so my teeth dont tear up the wood deck in transit.

 

[GManBart]

I've been looking at this same scenario (4047 with FEL and 6' rotary cutter) and decided that 22ft would be best....you can probably squeeze on a 20ft setup, but it might not, and may not let you center the weight the way you'd like to.

 

[RKJeepXJ]

I've also been in this debate with myself. I think I've settled on a car hauler with 18+2 dovetail, slide out ramps and 5k axles. I also have low cars I need to be able to transport as well so it seems like a good compromise. My biggest delimma is wood vs. steel floor.

 

[TSO]

I've also been in this debate with myself. I think I've settled on a car hauler with 18+2 dovetail, slide out ramps and 5k axles. I also have low cars I need to be able to transport as well so it seems like a good compromise. My biggest delimma is wood vs. steel floor.

I was going to get the car hauler type as well, actually that's what I went there to buy. But when I got there and looked at it, I realize I would still be presented with the same dilemma I had with my utility trailer. The slide in ramps don't offer any support the rear of the trailer when you are driving up on it. I had been using jack stands to brace the rear of the trailer before, and of course there are other ways around it.... but the spring loaded pulled down ramps are much better to use, they have built in bracing that contacts the ground, so the weight of whatever you are driving up to the ramps is completely supported.

The ramps are also easier to use than the slide in types. I had been using the same thinking before, that they might get in the way of something hanging off the tractor... but if need be, they can be removed.

Just something to think about.

Also, with the wood vs steel floor debate, here are a couple points to consider.

Metal flooring will add more weight to the trailer.
Wood will eventually wear out, and metal will eventually rust through.... but the wood will be easier and cheaper to replace down the road when necessary.
I've been told that the metal flooring will be very slippery, especially in winter conditions.

 

[lsfish]

I've also been in this debate with myself. I think I've settled on a car hauler with 18+2 dovetail, slide out ramps and 5k axles. I also have low cars I need to be able to transport as well so it seems like a good compromise. My biggest delimma is wood vs. steel floor.

I just found a 7.5K dual axle dual brake 10 ply tire 18' with 2' dovetail for only (only, ha!) $400 more than a 16'/2 with 5k axles. 6" steel versus the 5" on the 5k model. Not a bad buy (from what I have seen).
But that throws another wrench into the decision. I had just about decided to get out of the 3/4 ton truck and get a max-tow 1/2 ton. But the 7.5K axles and 6" steel add another 500 lbs and make the trailer/tractor extremely marginal for a 1/2 ton truck. So better safety margin/value/construction and 3/4 ton tow vehicle versus 1/2 ton pulling more than I would be comfortable with.
And, it is wood floor with a steel dovetail. for $3400

I could order an 18/2 with the 5" steel and 6K axles which would weigh 500 lbs less (8 ply tires), but only $200 less cost than the 7.5K axles/6"steel/10ply tire model.

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Thanks for all the replies so far! I really hope I can get the tractor/loader/bucket/bushhog on the 18'/2' model. Probably the tail wheel will hang off (take off the tailwheel? and tie a flag? ha ha)

 

[LD1]

Also, with the wood vs steel floor debate, here are a couple points to consider.

Metal flooring will add more weight to the trailer.

Not sure if I agree with that one. But I could be wrong. I dont know. Dont get me wrong, I like the wood floor. Especially the rough cut white oak. But wood is HEAVY too. I guess it depends on how thick the steel is, how the trailer is made, and weather it is a full steel deck, or just the runners. And weather it is hardwood (white oak) or treated pine.

I've also been in this debate with myself. I think I've settled on a car hauler with 18+2 dovetail, slide out ramps and 5k axles. I also have low cars I need to be able to transport as well so it seems like a good compromise. My biggest delimma is wood vs. steel floor.

I just found a 7.5K dual axle dual brake 10 ply tire 18' with 2' dovetail for only (only, ha!) $400 more than a 16'/2 with 5k axles. 6" steel versus the 5" on the 5k model.

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Thanks for all the replies so far! I really hope I can get the tractor/loader/bucket/bushhog on the 18'/2' model. Probably the tail wheel will hang off (take off the tailwheel? and tie a flag? ha ha)

I personally would take delivery, hook up your longest implement, and measure it. Dont want to buy the wrong trailer. I just dont see how a 18+2 is going to work with that tractor. And even if you can cram it on, you have no room to adjust the load for balance. LS lists your tractor @ 132" long. Thats 11'. Even if you take the time to remove the tailwheel (or let it hang over), and add only a conservative 6' for a bushhog, thats already 17' long. And we havent even talked about the loader yet. I am sure it adds more than 3' to the front. So you are either going to be parking the loader bucket on the tongue (and being careful not to go too far you crush your truck in a tight turn), and/or letting more than just the tailwheel hang off the back. Either way, I think I would like a longer trailer....

 

[TSO]

Not sure if I agree with that one. But I could be wrong. I dont know. Dont get me wrong, I like the wood floor. Especially the rough cut white oak. But wood is HEAVY too. I guess it depends on how thick the steel is, how the trailer is made, and weather it is a full steel deck, or just the runners. And weather it is hardwood (white oak) or treated pine.

I personally would take delivery, hook up your longest implement, and measure it. Dont want to buy the wrong trailer. I just dont see how a 18+2 is going to work with that tractor. And even if you can cram it on, you have no room to adjust the load for balance. LS lists your tractor @ 132" long. Thats 11'. Even if you take the time to remove the tailwheel (or let it hang over), and add only a conservative 6' for a bushhog, thats already 17' long. And we havent even talked about the loader yet. I am sure it adds more than 3' to the front. So you are either going to be parking the loader bucket on the tongue (and being careful not to go too far you crush your truck in a tight turn), and/or letting more than just the tailwheel hang off the back. Either way, I think I would like a longer trailer....

The trailer dealer is the one that told me the metal deck would be heavier. I suppose he could be lying ... though I can't imagine why he would.

A heavier deck would also mean less remaining weight capacity...

 

[Guesseral]

Does anyone know the total overall length of the 4047 w/loader and a standard 6' BH? I myself did buy an 18' 10,400# trailer I just assume that if I ever need to take the tractor and the BH somewhere that the loader will not be on the tractor. I hate running the BH with the loader on, as a matter O fact I hate doing anything (other than using the loader) with the loader on. Now that is just me and I got a brand new Gatormade trailer for under 3K

18ft 10400 Equipment Bobcat Skid Steer Trailer | eBay

and I just couldn't pass up that deal. I mainly only take the tractor out for loading fire wood into the dump so it worked for me.

OK wrong abbreviation BH (brush Hog) but you know what I mean!

 

[TSO]

Does anyone know the total overall length of the 4047 w/loader and a standard 6' BH? I myself did buy an 18' 10,400# trailer I just assume that if I ever need to take the tractor and the BH somewhere that the loader will not be on the tractor. I hate running the BH with the loader on, as a matter O fact I hate doing anything (other than using the loader) with the loader on. Now that is just me and I got a brand new Gatormade trailer for under 3K

18ft 10400 Equipment Bobcat Skid Steer Trailer | eBay

and I just couldn't pass up that deal. I mainly only take the tractor out for loading fire wood into the dump so it worked for me.

OK wrong abbreviation BH (brush Hog) but you know what I mean!

Looks alot like mine, just the stainless-vs-painted fenders. Does your have "C" channel crossbeams for the deck section? I can't tell if that front cross beam is C or Angle ? Good price though. I think mine was $3200.

 

[Guesseral]

To be honest I just don't know I haven't really crawled under it yet and I am not about to do so in this weather. Basically I pulled it into the yard when I brought it home used the forks to load all of my implements on it to keep them off of the ground and that is where it sits, I just haven't had time to do anything else and now I have a pinched sciatic nerve and I can barley walk. Man I hope that nerve is better soon I tried to drive the tractor the other day and just using the clutch was hard.

 

[lsfish]

Does anyone know the total overall length of the 4047 w/loader and a standard 6' BH? I myself did buy an 18' 10,400# trailer I just assume that if I ever need to take the tractor and the BH somewhere that the loader will not be on the tractor. I hate running the BH with the loader on, as a matter O fact I hate doing anything (other than using the loader) with the loader on. Now that is just me and I got a brand new Gatormade trailer for under 3K

18ft 10400 Equipment Bobcat Skid Steer Trailer | eBay

and I just couldn't pass up that deal. I mainly only take the tractor out for loading fire wood into the dump so it worked for me.

OK wrong abbreviation BH (brush Hog) but you know what I mean!

Nice looking trailer and good price. It wasn't evident form the description, is that 18' plus a 2' dovetail?
I guess it is 5" channel construction. If they were closer I would look at one.
But the 7.5 K axles (which I don't really need) one (18+2) I found with 6" construction at $3300 (talked the dealer down a hundred) doesn't seem like a bad buy either. Still can't come to terms of pulling the x-tra 500 lbs weight (compared to 5k axles 5" version) or I would have already picked it up.

 

[oldtoyboyd]

I had a 20 + 2 foot bumper pull deck over that I hauled my 4047 on when I first got it. It had 7500 pound axles.
With my 6' hog on it, the tail wheel was barely off the back of the trailer.
I now have a 25' gooseneck that works good, but will step up to a 30' for hauling tractor and a couple implements to different places.
A bumper pull with bigger that 6k axles is at limit with a 12k weight distributing hitch.
My deck over scaled at 4200 pounds.
Here is a pic or the my old deckover

 

[TSO]

I just thought of tow-capacities for my truck ...

My bumper pull rating is 12,500,
5th wheel/GN rating is 14,000.

So, I couldn't handle a 14,000 gvwr bumper-pull trailer anyhow. Looks like the only trucks that are rated for 14k bumper tow are duallies. Just something to think about... why get a 14k conventional trailer if your truck isn't rated for it anyhow?

 

[oldtoyboyd]

With a double 6k axle trailer, you are at 13200 with the 10% tongue weight
I have hauled just my tractor on my 18' car trailer.
That is over limit for the trailer because my rear tires are filled adding 1200 pounds