Pulled the trigger today on a Duramax

[crazyal]

If you're happy who cares what anyone else thinks. As a 4.7l Tundra owner I can tell you that the engine is good for it's size but not very efficient. It can pull lots of weight but it will require you to work the engine (just like any other small gas V8). Sooner or later I'll be upgrading too. Not sure to what yet as my Tundra only gets used a few thousand miles a year so I just can't justify the extra cost of a diesel (even though I would love one). If I could I'm sure I would be looking for something pre DEF and other diesel gimmicks to reduce emissions as you got. If it's another Tundra it has to be the 5.7.

 

[MikePA]

How can the TCO of gas versus diesel be based on individual opinions? The purchase costs, miles, mileage, and maintenance costs are what they are.

 

[buickanddeere]

It's cost per mile. Ever since the EPA stuck their noses into where they had no business. They took the diesel from being an outstanding truck engine. Into an over priced , high maintenance , high tech head ache.
The glory days of the Cummins 6BT and ISB and cheap diesel Wake up for school are long gone
For those who haven't looked under the hood of a gasser recently. They are no longer carbureted engines with points distributors running leaded fuel.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Boy this thread went from a "thank you for the info" to a defense site. Personally I DON'T CARE what someone elses opinion is of what I drive. I drive it because I have justified it in my own mind for my own needs. Until the current administration takes even THAT bit of choice away from me, I will keep doing as "I" please.

So at this point if you are against me or anyone else driving a diesel, feel free to post ELSWHERE PLEASE!!!! I also hunt and fish, ALOT, I also trapped as a kid and would do so again if the need arises, and I don't care if it's even legal. So folks need to get off their high "my fuel makes more sense than your fuel" horse.

To those that offered their advice before I bought, I appreciate it, to those that want to hammer me or others for my choice, keep your opinion to yourself at this point, as it's no longer requested. Advice and suggestions were all considered and weighed with MY NEEDS AND WANTS.

Please understand, I own two diesels, and have had five all together. I know they have a place. With that said I'm not so sure I would buy another. The cost is just not justifiable for me. Back when I started diesel got twice the mpg as a gas truck, fuel was cheap, ect

Chris

 

[Xfaxman]

There is NO WAY to justify savings of $300 a year. Diesel oil and filter changes will use up any so called savings. How about the cost of the diesel option?
Power ? Today's DI gasser make as much power as today's diesels. Yesterday's port injected gassers and today's DI gassers make more power than the diesels of the 90's and 2000's too.
How much does just a set of diesel replacement injectors cost?
How much power does it take to pull a little bitty horse trailer. A 318 Detroit used to be considered ok to haul 40 ton of freight across two mountain ranges coast to coast.
You are going have to find a driving instructor to help you handle a pickup and less than 5 ton with 400HP.
Face it. You just want everybody to know that you have a diesel. Big whup.

This "little bitty aluminum horse trailer" weighed 10,300 pounds empty, 15,800 loaded for camping and 4 horses. That 2001 Duramax had the power to pull it just fine. :thumbsup:

 

[handirifle]

xfaxman
That itty bitty rig is something else. Not a horse fan myself, but that looks like it's the whole ball of wax. I have noticed those trailers before have three legs in the front where as my 5ver has two. Why the extra center leg?

 

[aczlan]

xfaxman
That itty bitty rig is something else. Not a horse fan myself, but that looks like it's the whole ball of wax. I have noticed those trailers before have three legs in the front where as my 5ver has two. Why the extra center leg?

Looks like the center one does the actual lifting and the outer two are just pin down legs.

Aaron Z

 

[Xfaxman]

xfaxman
That itty bitty rig is something else. Not a horse fan myself, but that looks like it's the whole ball of wax. I have noticed those trailers before have three legs in the front where as my 5ver has two. Why the extra center leg?

The center one is the jack, like this one.

The other two are stabilizers to keep it from rocking sideways, while living in it.

 

[handirifle]

Ahhh!

 

[handirifle]

I paid 40K for a bran new 2006 4x4 GMC Dually crew cab in 2006 FREE three year warranty. So you paid only 10K less with nearly 100K miles. I'm thinkin you paid way too much. Ebay search shows between 15K - 17K as topped price bidding for the same vehicle.
Lastly you can buy a 2014 for STARTING MSRP1: $39,185
2014 Sierra 3500 Heavy Duty Pickup Truck | GMC

Well, come to anywhere within 100 miles of where I live and buy one with less than 100,000 on the odometer, in this good of condition, equipped like it is, for UNDER 20K. The ONLY truck even close, and as far as I know it's STILL on autotrader, is a work truck model (manual windows, locks and vinyl flooring, manual mirrors and it had 136,000 miles, and was listed for $22,000. The only other trucks even close had flames down the side (yuck) or lifted, (didn't want) or obviously highly modified which means it was driven into the ground, and now the owner wants one that isn't getting ready to break.

Out here truck hold their value WAY better than many parts of the country. They don't rust out and if taken care of will last for decades. Heck one kid that lives nearby just bought a 70's Ford with the 300 straight 6 in it a month ago. My other neighbor just bought a first Gen Dodge. Neither one has rust. Some folks drive out of state to buy one, but we have diesel smog checks here and I don't want to get into a hassle with the DMV over smog equipment that's no longer there.

Didn't want a new one, don't like the body style, and don't have to mess with paying $3 a gallon for pee to clean the exhaust, and $40k is WAY more than $28,500.

And if you really think that 3yr warranty was FREE, I have some great swamp land to sell you for development.

 

[buickanddeere]

The 3/4 or 1 ton gasser is still cheaper to run and has more than sufficient power.

 

[Fordman1981]

The 3/4 or 1 ton gasser is still cheaper to run and has more than sufficient power.

Then why do all the manufactures rate the gas options with less payload and less of a tow rating. When it comes to pulling the gas options are better than they have ever been that is true but they can not compete with the diesel option. Work a truck to or near it's rated limits day in and day out the diesel will hold up better than the gas. One of the reasons for this is that the diesel does not have to work as hard to do the same job.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Then why do all the manufactures rate the gas options with less payload and less of a tow rating. When it comes to pulling the gas options are better than they have ever been that is true but they can not compete with the diesel option. Work a truck to or near it's rated limits day in and day out the diesel will hold up better than the gas. One of the reasons for this is that the diesel does not have to work as hard to do the same job.

The gas options have cheaper transmissions in the Dodges and GM's. Ford gets the same Torque Shift. In some trims on the Ford's the gas engines are actually rated about 500# more than the diesels due to the weight penalties taken with the heavier diesel option.

I agree the diesel option will flat out pull the gas in the real world but not always on paper.

For me transmission is more important or as important as the engine. Look at modern vehicles, the tranny usually goes before the engine.

Chris

 

[Fordman1981]

The gas options have cheaper transmissions in the Dodges and GM's. Ford gets the same Torque Shift. In some trims on the Ford's the gas engines are actually rated about 500# more than the diesels due to the weight penalties taken with the heavier diesel option.

I agree the diesel option will flat out pull the gas in the real world but not always on paper.

For me transmission is more important or as important as the engine. Look at modern vehicles, the tranny usually goes before the engine.

Chris

Go to build and price on ford.com

Select F350 and dual rear wheels. If you select the 6.2 you have a tow rating of 13,100 lbs if you select the 6.7 PS you have a tow rating of 23,900 lbs. If you select the single rear wheel the 6.2 has a tow rating of 13,100 the 6.7 has a tow rating of 16,700 lbs so the limiting factor is the gas engine being as the SRW and the DRW 6.2 truck has the same tow rating. But you were partially right the payload is slightly higher with the gas engine.

 

[mikehaugen]

IIRC, up until the mid 2000's when companies were still offering v10's and bb v8's the tow rating was the same as the diesel. Wish it was still an option. Now they have forced people into a diesel if you want to tow big.

 

[Fordman1981]

IIRC, up until the mid 2000's when companies were still offering v10's and bb v8's the tow rating was the same as the diesel. Wish it was still an option. Now they have forced people into a diesel if you want to tow big.

Just my opinion but I don't think the V10 would not do very well with the weights the diesels are capable of today. I have a V10 in a 450 box truck and when it's loaded it loses speed speed on the interstate in passing gear. I've had much more weight on the PS equipped trucks and the 6.7 CTD equipped trucks and there is no comparison the diesels make the V10 look like a dog. On top of the lack of power the V10 box truck gets 7.5 to 8.2 mpg empty and I've seen as bad as 6.4 mpg loaded. Horrible gas mileage lack of power no thank you. Don't remember the exact model year of the box truck off the top of my head right now but it was the last year of the V10 production.

 

[mikehaugen]

You are right, I was just stating the that the ratings were the same. That was also before the diesel wars really took off like have now.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Go to build and price on ford.com

Select F350 and dual rear wheels. If you select the 6.2 you have a tow rating of 13,100 lbs if you select the 6.7 PS you have a tow rating of 23,900 lbs. If you select the single rear wheel the 6.2 has a tow rating of 13,100 the 6.7 has a tow rating of 16,700 lbs so the limiting factor is the gas engine being as the SRW and the DRW 6.2 truck has the same tow rating. But you were partially right the payload is slightly higher with the gas engine.

I said "in some trims".

Chris

 

[Diamondpilot]

IIRC, up until the mid 2000's when companies were still offering v10's and bb v8's the tow rating was the same as the diesel. Wish it was still an option. Now they have forced people into a diesel if you want to tow big.

The EPA forced you.....

Chris

 

[Fordman1981]

I said "in some trims". Chris

Ok show me a trim that the gas engine can tow more than the ps.