Kids not allowed at Tractor Dealership?

/ Kids not allowed at Tractor Dealership? #241  
Kids are a touchy subject. I am for limited parents rights and the responsibilities that go with them. Rights stop where they interfere with the rights of others.

It feels like we are all supposed to shut up and let kids stomp all over us and we should shut up and take it!
 
/ Kids not allowed at Tractor Dealership? #243  
Kids are a touchy subject. I am for limited parents rights and the responsibilities that go with them. Rights stop where they interfere with the rights of others.

It feels like we are all supposed to shut up and let kids stomp all over us and we should shut up and take it!

I agree with 99% what you're saying but... I don't suppose you were ever a kid were you? Just remember someone, at some point in time, had to put up with us, before we knew everything.
 
/ Kids not allowed at Tractor Dealership? #244  
I grew up in the car business and if we didn't let customers look at the inventory kids or no kids we might as well close the doors.

One of the difference between cars and tractors is that with the cars, kids have to be part of the auto experience.
When we were young, my parents would always check that the back seat was comfortable for the kids when shopping for cars.

With tractors, technically the kids are not using the tractors... although, of course, teenagers often do use the tractors, but not 5 yr olds.

Kids can be destructive, pulling and pushing every lever and button. But, as mentioned, it is a good idea to keep buckets and implements in a "safe position", even if they look pretty with them up. They also function as emergency brakes.

I think too much emphasis is put on keeping kids from falling 2 feet to the ground. I never died from a skinned knee as a kid, even though I had plenty of them.

I've been to a few auto shows. Some people surrounded their cars with "don't touch" signs. If asked politely, I'd always let the kids climb through my car. Although, I must admit that I've had neighbor kids that broke off hard to find "classic parts". Because one kid was holding the door lock from the outside, I caught a kid inside my car grabbing a pair of vice grips to pull up on the door lock button once.

I'm sure tractor dealerships hate repairing damage from particularly destructive kids. But, then, all they need to post is a "you break it, you bought it" sign next to their $100K tractors!!!!

For some people, kids may be part of the buying process, and a dealership will do anything to keep the customers on the lot longer, and looking at more stuff.
 
/ Kids not allowed at Tractor Dealership? #245  
I agree with 99% what you're saying but... I don't suppose you were ever a kid were you? Just remember someone, at some point in time, had to put up with us, before we knew everything.
Kid was a long time ago. 6th/7 with one younger sister. But I still recall the times I got out of line. I was full of energy, bored when not working, and tore apart everything I could get my hands on. Even cars.

But yeah I am for cutting kids and parents some slack. But it is up to us rather then the kids or parents when if and how much.
 
/ Kids not allowed at Tractor Dealership? #246  
I think parents today should raise their children like I was raised, respect every body's property and my rights ended where someone's else's started. If a business owner or business employee says something about a child maybe they should be asked why. The person could have just spent several thousand dollars repairing damage caused by someone's child. No instead the parent become argumentative, hostile, aggressive and sometimes physical.

It is hard to go shopping anymore without having to listen to a parent objecting to being asked to pay for damage caused by a small child.
 
/ Kids not allowed at Tractor Dealership? #247  
I think parents today should raise their children like I was raised, respect every body's property and my rights ended where someone's else's started. If a business owner or business employee says something about a child maybe they should be asked why. The person could have just spent several thousand dollars repairing damage caused by someone's child. No instead the parent become argumentative, hostile, aggressive and sometimes physical.

It is hard to go shopping anymore without having to listen to a parent objecting to being asked to pay for damage caused by a small child.
 
/ Kids not allowed at Tractor Dealership? #248  
Howdy,
Today's world is different. Today the world is to litigious. Not to be biased, but, I would assume people here with tractor sense, would raise children with tractor sense.
? Have you ever been somewhere when a child is running amuck? As you look over and see the parent doing nothing about it.
The dealership is question might have just finished with a lawsuit with some child accident. I am sure with respect to the equipment it is, you standing there with your child, respectfully looking at equipment, your child in tow, would not be a issue anywhere.

How about having a bunch of folks over at your place with children jumping and playing with your tractors at home. A week later to find out the battery is dead, knobs missing, pins missing... you too would be a bit jumpy next time the children want to play on your equipment.

In today's world city people would scream and shout child abuse with anything farming. (such as work, chores, tractor work etc..)

The same principle can be applied to guns. I have and enjoy guns. My kids know and understand guns. They are not toys, but can be very enjoyable family outing event.
 
/ Kids not allowed at Tractor Dealership?
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#250  
There are definitely at least two well defined schools of thought...

I don't have children and yet I find kids are very well behaved if they know it is expected and bad behavior will not be tolerated...

At Easter... between family and extended family there were 9 kids age 11 and younger visiting... the two older ones so desperately wanted to take out my neighbors gator as he has given them permission before...

I simply explained it is not ours and they are away... that was the end of it.

I also have the antique cars in the garage and they know the drill... hands in pockets and don't touch anything... the older ones will correct the younger ones and hold their hands...

They like to sit on the CAT D3 dozer and always ask permission first and frankly there isn't a thing they could do to it... all fill spouts are padlock, instruments padlocked, ripper buried in the ground and blade down... but, they sure have fun just sitting in the seat and pretending.

To be clear... private property is private and the dealer had every right to set the rules or even ask us to leave and the woman from the office wasn't mean or nasty... she was just direct and to the point and NOT helpful.

I posted in part because I was curious if this is standard operating practice and if it is... wouldn't sales be hurt driving off potential buyers...

For most... after a home/land purchase... a new tractor would at least rank number 2 or 3 on the scale/scope of expenditures...

I've enjoyed the discussion and many good points raised and have decided that unless I'm stopping by Dave's Tractor in Nor Cal, I will call ahead to ask if children are welcome...
 
/ Kids not allowed at Tractor Dealership? #251  
Daybreak,
I'm not sure what the double hiccup means, but as a retired insurance agent,
I sure can second your concerns over litigious neighbors and visitors.
And living in N.VA you are surrounded by the seriously wealthy, and are as likely to see
a Mercedes or BMW on your local roads as you will a working pickup.

You are totally surrounded by litigious people, though perhaps not as bad as Northern NJ.
so I can sure appreciate your concern. But what about in proverbial Peoria? Lancaster? Texas?
I think or perhaps just foolishly hope that the climate is different outside of the urban centers.

It's like locking the doors to your home. Many of you likely still don't. My parents never did. Never had to.
The police chief was bored stiff. Not much happening except for the Saturday night drunks.
But if you grew up in Newark, NJ like my Dad did, or East LA, well, I think your attitude towards the neighbors and perhaps
the world in general is different.

We lock our doors and turn on the alarm now. Times have changed. And if the kids have changed, when they become adults, well, that means our next generation of adults might think differently too. I suppose it's the way of the world, but not a comforting thought all the time.

For those of you who live in the big wide open spaces, are we "city folk" just too paranoid?
Are you going to stop those hayrides because they might be "risky"?...
 
/ Kids not allowed at Tractor Dealership?
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#252  
I think the double hiccup is a post is posted twice...

I've been having that problem a lot lately and it never happened before...
 
/ Kids not allowed at Tractor Dealership? #255  
one.jpgtwo.jpgI never left the USA until 21 years ago. America has safety regulations intended to protect people from their own stupidity. Very few of the cases you hear about actually result in damages (believe me, I had been involved in hundreds) but there is always cost in defending a suit and very few allow the defendant to recover damages for a frivolous suit. Visit France and voila, no fences preventing you from falling off a cliff. Visit Greece and the slippery steps polished by over 3,000 years of people trodding them - no handrails. Here are some pictures from Bauma, the worlds largest construction machinery show, taken a couple weeks back. Sunday they have a family day but these pictures were taken during the week. The stairs they had built so a person could sit in the seat of a 994 wheel loader - almost always filled with kids but what can I complain - I lack the $4 million to buy one too. The picture with a father on a paver with his 2 kids - this is the way to build tomorrow's future - get the next generation interested. I have finding shows in America where they lock the cab doors or chain the ladders to keep people away - unless you have cash sticking out of your pockets. Of course those kids in the paver seats will probably never drive one like it in the future - they will own the company.
 
/ Kids not allowed at Tractor Dealership? #256  
You can't fix, a litigious society, inappropriate behavior, lack of parental control or... stupid!

And you can never prevent all accidents.

I have to ask, in the original post, why was a responsible dealer even open, without a responsible sales person on the premises? If there was no one to show the inventory, or protect it, they should have locked the gate!
 
/ Kids not allowed at Tractor Dealership? #257  
You can't fix, a litigious society, inappropriate behavior, lack of parental control or... stupid!

And you can never prevent all accidents.

I have to ask, in the original post, why was a responsible dealer even open, without a responsible sales person on the premises? If there was no one to show the inventory, or protect it, they should have locked the gate!

Good point
 
/ Kids not allowed at Tractor Dealership? #258  
If parents would properly supervise their kids I would mind exposing young folks to new tractors. The problem is, a great many parents let their kids run wild. It is so easy to get hurt around farm or construction machinery. And who would the parent blame when their kid get hurt? Themselves? Never! What is even worse that a tractor store is a machinery auction. They leave the keys in the machinery so bidders can start them up and check them out. I have seen many unsupervised kids start up equipment (what 10 year old can't resist turning a key) and the machine starts moving or they operate the hydraulics.

In my opinion, dealers are not only justified but also should be complimented for looking out for the welfare of kids lacking parental control. If you are serious about shopping for tractors leave the kids home. It's not a play date.
 
/ Kids not allowed at Tractor Dealership?
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#259  
If you are serious about shopping for tractors leave the kids home. It's not a play date.

In my case I was only curious... wanted to compare models because I was thinking of upgrading...

Having no Dealers in my county or several neighboring counties makes it a little harder plus most are closed on weekends.

I was with my brother's family traveling through California and asked if we could stop since we were driving right by on a weekday.

In the end it didn't matter, I bought a Deere 110 TLB and have been very satisfied with my decision...

Could have just as easily been a B26 or L39... will never know.

Some manufacturers actively solicit business from homeowners and hobby farmers... in other words non-business customers...
 
/ Kids not allowed at Tractor Dealership? #260  
I bring my son with all the time when I go to window shop at the Kubota dealer. Growing up, my dad worked at Caterpiller dealer. We went with him every chance we could. We would climb all over the scrapers, D12's and loaders. When he was done he would give us a ride on one of the machines. I never got hurt, and I learned the name of every Cat machine
 

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