Leaving a welder on question

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How long do you leave you machine on before turning it off? I have seen guys flip both stick and mig on and off and others let it run all day. I am right now going about 5 minutes then shutting it down. If working I am keeping the gas on, but if settling down for more than an hour or so I turn the gas off.
 
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If it's a transformer machine it will continue to use a certain amout on juice even when you aren't welding. Inverter? not so much. I would worry more about shutting the gas bottle off when not being used.
 
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Not sure I understand your question. Are you talking about cool down before shutting off? Or not letting them idle when not using them for a while?

I let all my machines cool down before shutting down. The harder, (high amp) welding I let them cool longer. My engine drives I'll let run longer between use than my shop machines, only because they are outside the shop, and they take longer to start.
 
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As for the Gas: I would turn the gas of when done so as to avoid costly leaks in order to save money.

As for the machine: I always let my machines run a bit after I quit welding so the cooling fan circulates cool air through the internal electrical components. I think cooling them down helps them last longer and should apply to any type of welder: engine drive, electrical transformer, or electrical inverter. Any of them generate heat doing what they do, Anyway, I have no set time that I wait as it mainly depends on how hard I feel I pushed the machine. If I ever have any doubts that I might have not given the machine enough time to cool down then I will place my hand near the intake area vents of the welding cooling fan area and then place my hand near the welding cooling fan output vents and do a rough temperature comparison by feel. If the output vent area feels warmer to me then I let the machine run some more for cool down.
 
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I leave mine on the whole time Im welding. The running fan keeps it cool, and cool is good.
I turn off the gas if Im going to be more than 10 mins. Probably overkill, because I know I have no leaks (test with soapy water). But gas is expensive!
 
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I am sorry I wasn't more specific but I am getting the answers to my question and much more.

What I was referring to was I have a buddy who does his weld, turns it off, grabs the next piece, aligns it and then turns the welder back on. Seems hard on the machine to me. But then I go to a shop and the machines are just sitting there on, no one using them....

I never thought about cool down after hard welding. I haven't done my stick welder any favors...
 
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At most all that's running is a cooling fan. Your friend could wear his switch out or damage the welder because it hasn't cooled off enough after using it. Most shops you don't shut them off till you do your clean up at the end of the day. Engine drives you'd shut off for a break but electric machines, it's no big deal to leave them on.
 
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Like the rest, the amount of time left running depends on how hard it was used.

Bottle gets shut off asap.

And out of habit, just walking past and hasn't been used in weeks, I'll double check it's still closed.
 
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I will let them cool off and stay on during short pauses in work. My Lincoln Pt225 which is my main welder makes it easy as it has an automatic fan. At idle with no fan it only draws 3A IIRC, and when I am done welding for the day or for a good while I wait until the automatic fan shut down.
 
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If i am welding a lot of stuff I just leave it on mostly. If I have to take time to set up, I try to shut it off because I don't like to hear the noise. I don't know if it matters much because I am hard of hearing anyway.
 
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On my transformer-based welder, I changed the wiring of the fan so that it connected to the service side of the main switch instead of the load side. This meant that the fan was running whenever the welder was plugged in. That way, I could turn off the main switch whenever I wanted to cut power to the leads without compromising cooling.

On the transformer welder, the buzz of the transformer was annoying, so I tended to turn it off when I wasn't using it, even if that was just two minutes for fitup and clamping. With my Everlast inverter welder, I tend to leave it on.
 
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Maybe I am confused on the duty cycle rating on my welders, but I have always thought that the duty cycle would determine cooling time in addition to the working time of a welder. I have an old buzz box with a 10% duty cycle that, if I understand correctly, should weld 1 minute in 10 minutes. So my understanding is that after welding for a minute, the welder should cool for 10 before shutting it down.

The OP's friend that cycles the welder off after each weld may be overly cautious about an accidental flash. Personally, I would control that by securing the ground and letting the welder run between welds.
 
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In case you didn't realize: When electrical stuff dies, it is most frequently caused by the same thing. This goes for computers, TV's, welders, anything.

When you bend a piece of metal rod with your hands, you have to bend it one way, then the other, and so on until it breaks. It finally breaks because of metal fatigue, not your super-human strength. When you bend it once, it heats up, then cools down. Continuing to bend it like that eventually creates cracks in the metal and it breaks. The same thing happens inside any electronic or electrical component. The fine wire leads inside an integrated chip, the traces on a circuit board, the windings inside a transformer, all are subject to this phenomena. When you turn on the device, it heats up. When you turn it off, it cools down. It is this cycling that eventually kills the product (vacuum tubes excepted since they have a definite life span). A transistor or transformer can live forever at the same temp.

To summerize: Electrical components like to stay at the same temperature for long life. It doesn't matter if it stays hot all the time or cold. The home stereo that never gets turned off will live longer than the one that does (I know, its not very green to do this). It is this cycling of heating and cooling that companies like Intel put their products through (HAST-Highly Accelerated Stress Test) to predict how long they will live out in the real world.
 
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At work, we try to never turn off old electronics because when you do, there is a reasonable chance they will die when they get turned back on for the reasons mentioned above.

Ken
 
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At work, we try to never turn off old electronics because when you do, there is a reasonable chance they will die when they get turned back on for the reasons mentioned above.
Old freezers are the same way...

Aaron Z
 
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This is also why it is good for your well motor to run for longer periods when charging the tank instead of short stop-run, stop-run cycles. Some folks hook up multiple, parallel bladder tanks for this reason.
 

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