PA200 Throw Away Welding Machine

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Perhaps the poster is used to not getting his money's worth or to him what would not be his money's worth. Even so, to make an unfounded assumption on a respected member of this forum is intolerable in my mind. Even if it were true, the claim is still unfounded and still falls in the spurious accusation territory. If one is making a statement questioning the integrity of another member, it at least needs proof and if there is none, it is worse than vaporous to have such a false accusation leveled on anyone. The op would bet a "dollar" if this shill thing is happening. I would say that if that is all your guess is worth, then why make the statement? Now if you care to bet your house on your claim, it makes your assumption much more worthy don't you think?

 

[sixdogs]

This thread is above my skil set but I will say Shield Arc helped me a year or two back and with his advice I became a better hobby welder. I cannot imagine him biased.

 

[Shield Arc]

I'll bet a dollar ShieldArc has an undeclared financial interest in selling these machines and is acting as a determined shill on that basis.

Hey pal, I call em as I see em. I could care less what brand machine anybody buys. I have my opinions, and ideas of what I want in a machine, all I do here is voice my opinion, if someone here doesn't take it, that is fine with me. My only link to Everlast is here with Mark. I like and respect Mark, but as he says I don't make a dime off Everlast, I've even poked fun at Mark that I should at least get ball cap out of him. Didn't even get that!
If your having trouble putting in roots with your PA-200, there is something wrong with it. I wouldn't make a pimple on a real pipe weldor's a $ $, but I have no problems rooting with my PA-200. These pictures may not be up to your standards but I don't think there to bad for a structural weldor.

I can certainly tell you that Shield Arc has no interest in "selling these machines"; the last thing he can be described as is a shill for Longevity or Everlast.

Thanks bud!

 

[Shield Arc]

How would you compare his stickweld 250 to your green light sa 200? Shorthood? Redface?

Didn't mean to pass you by, but had to take care of something first.
I'd say with 6010 it is really close, but I'd say the Stickweld 250 runs 7018 better than my green light.
The 250 doesn't hold a candle to my short hoods with 6010, but runs 7018 better. Now it is just plain hard to beat a Red Face machine! But the 250 will give my Red Face machines a run for there money with 7018.

 

[deereman75]

Didn't mean to pass you by, but had to take care of something first.
I'd say with 6010 it is really close, but I'd say the Stickweld 250 runs 7018 better than my green light.
The 250 doesn't hold a candle to my short hoods with 6010, but runs 7018 better. Now it is just plain hard to beat a Red Face machine! But the 250 will give my Red Face machines a run for there money with 7018.

Thanks! I was just wondering how close the arc is to them. I am planning on getting a sa 200 before too long. I would love redface, based on how much good I have heard, but they cost so much with the pipeliners still preferring them. I think the short hood suits my vintage taste best, and based on looks it is my favourite. The blackface/greenlight is the one I am least drawn to, but the only one I have a hope of affording any time soon...

If only I knew anyone with a short hood for sale... (darn collectors... )

 

[Shield Arc]

Thanks! I was just wondering how close the arc is to them. I am planning on getting a sa 200 before too long. I would love redface, based on how much good I have heard, but they cost so much with the pipeliners still preferring them. I think the short hood suits my vintage taste best, and based on looks it is my favourite. The blackface/greenlight is the one I am least drawn to, but the only one I have a hope of affording any time soon...

If only I knew anyone with a short hood for sale... (darn collectors... )

The short hoods are best suited for 6010! They are only so, so with 7018. The Red Face machine do alright with 6010, but not as good as a short hood. I suspect it has something to do with the difference in RPM. The Red Face machines really shine with 7018! My opinion, don't waste your money on a green light machine! If you run across a good deal on a Lincoln 305-G, my buddy has one, it welds every bit as nice as either one of my Red Face machines. Now I wouldn't show up on a pipe line with a 305-G in the back of my truck!

 

[deereman75]

Well, I guess I will wait for a shorthood, or possibly red face. I am not sure which would be better for pipe lining, they both have their points. I am not sure if the better 6010 for root passes would make up for the not so good 7018 on pipe welding. Which would you choose if you were going to work on a pipeline?

(maybe I should take a roadtrip to your place, and see for my self... Wonder how big a crowbar I would need to pry a shorthood from your hands LOL :laughing::thumbsup

 

[Shield Arc]

What little I know about pipe line work, which is strange. My dad use to be a pipe line welding inspector. But I was a very small kid when he did this. I do remember going to work with him in the summer, but I can't remember what kind of machines they had. Any way I would say the short hood would be the best. You might PM "slow hand" over on Welding Web and ask him. He is a really nice guy, I'm sure he will tell you what is best.

 

[deereman75]

Can you put the remote amperage box on the short hood?

 

[Shield Arc]

Can you put the remote amperage box on the short hood?

You sure can.

 

[deereman75]

I want one. I want one.


No I want two.

You have got me sold on the short hood. Let me know if you ever decide you have too many.. LOL :laughing:

 

[Shield Arc]

Let me know if you ever decide you have too many.. LOL :laughing:

I will, I will, soon as I can't afford to put food on the table!
You know I see them on Craigs list here every once in awhile, they go fairly cheap here.
craigslist: seattle-tacoma classifieds for jobs, apartments, personals, for sale, services, community, and events

 

[joshuabardwell]

I don't know how you can accuse Mark of being a high pressure sales person. As far as I can tell, he mostly answers questions, contributes to threads, and waits for business to come to him. He talked to me on the phone for about 20 minutes giving me specs on units and prices, but he never pressured me to purchase at all.

And accusing SA of being a shill? Now I know you must be new here.

 

[deereman75]

I will, I will, soon as I can't afford to put food on the table!
You know I see them on Craigs list here every once in awhile, they go fairly cheap here.
craigslist: seattle-tacoma classifieds for jobs, apartments, personals, for sale, services, community, and events

I almost never see them here... When I do they are either a few grand, or in pieces. I am really thinking of making a road trip down there...

 

[Shield Arc]

I almost never see them here... When I do they are either a few grand, or in pieces. I am really thinking of making a road trip down there...

This guy collects them, and refurbish some of them. He is just west of Portland Oregon. He is a retired pipe weldor. PM him tell him you are just stating out, see what he can do for you.
WeldingWeb - Welding forum for pros and enthusiasts

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

I need some fresh, not rotted through skins for mine....any one care to donate a hood or side panels?lol. (also a electronic idler)

I've been told that mine is a 58 "blue" face.

 

[Arc weld]

Was reading this thread and wow! The OP should give Everlast a chance to see if they can resolve the problem with his welder. It's obvious a PA200 can do open root 6010 if it's working right. Shield Arc getting paid by Everlast:laughing: Now that there's funny, I don't care who you are If it was a POS, he'd tell you in a second and he's got several high end machines to compare it to. The OP talks about getting what you pay for. Buy a Miller machine for the same price and see how you like it?

Pipe welding is almost another trade in itself, well at least pipelining is. Most manual pipeline welding is done with XX10 rods downhand and it's completely different than uphand open root pipe welding. My former neighbor did a lot of pipeline. The pipe has a small land and is butted right together without a gap. You burn the root in and it burns away the land becoming part of the root. Then you go to larger rods and burn them fairly hot for the fill and cap. This is where having the right machine makes a difference. The right machine allows the gap to fill up more instead of leaving a flatter bead. More fill means less passes. My neighbor had a primo 1957 short hood he really liked for pipeline. He sold it with his old truck because he was offered $5500 for it. He bought a new Lincoln Diesel classic and couldn't get it to stack the bead like his 57. The Lincoln Classic series and the new pipeliner 200D use the copper windings and generator frame of the 60's red face machines but aren't quite as good. Apparently the new SAE 300 with dual continuous control is an excellent pipeline welder. Probably not as good as a short hood but pretty close. There were a lot of green light machines used on pipeline as well. The biggest complaint was pipelining is high production and the green light light machines with aluminum shunt coils wouldn't keep the same heat like the older machines with copper shunt coils. As they heated up, you had to turn your amps up to compensate but if you stopped for lunch or a break, you'd have to turn the machine back down again. This could be a pain. A good welder could use any DC machine and still get x-ray quality welds.

 

[Rock knocker]

Sounds like you know what you're talking about

 

[rjmack]

Hmnn... how to go about pawning off some cheap chinese crap on unsuspecting farmers?

#1 Get street cred. Buy up some old credible welding machines and use them as a proximity to authority.

#2 Shamelessly and favorably compare cheap chinese junk to credible welding machines from a position of authority, which is assumed by owning both of course.

#3 Use shills on the inside, who pretend to be outside of the financial interest envelope, and who also have street cred based on proximity/ownership to highly regarded welding machines.

#4 Use the internet to reach mass audience from platform which can be ultimately controlled via website sponsorship.

#5 Make millions duping the masses.

There is a reason that arbitrage of financial markets was outlawed... unfortunately, bankers don't seem to have the same moral dilemma with the arbitrage of labour markets.

"Always look for the fool in the deal. If you don't find one, it's you". - Mark Cuban

There is no doubt the floggers of everlast, longevity, freedomgoodproduct etc will get the last word... they are paying for it. (out of your pocket)

Support your global bankers, and by all means, enjoy your Goodhealthandprosperityeveryday quality chinese products :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[joshuabardwell]

Hmnn... how to go about pawning off some cheap chinese crap on unsuspecting farmers?

You're going to call it censorship, but I can see why threads like this get killed. You're going nowhere, contributing nothing, and just spewing unfounded accusations. You said, "there are some things I need to say," and now you've said them several times over. How about now you STFU and let the rest of us "shills" and "farmers" get back to sticking metal together?

What you fail to realize is that there is a burgeoning market for budget welders, and Everlast, Longevity, and their ilk are filling that need. If it wasn't for Everlast, I never in my life would have been able to afford to own a pedal/HF TIG unit. I never in my life would have been able to afford an inverter stick welder with all the neat arc control features they have. Because of Everlast, I get to have those experiences--at all. You're a big-shot professional welder and you want Red or Blue? Good for you. Go buy Red or Blue and write it off on your taxes. I don't get to do that, and I don't earn money with my welder either. What you're saying is that anybody who can't afford to pay for the big names shouldn't ever get to weld with those technologies, and that's BS.

In closing, let me refer you to this article about "The Innovator's Dilemma," which may be relevant to this conversation: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/05/14/120514fa_fact_macfarquhar Maybe the "big names" had better start watching their backs.