The WICKED Root & Debris GRAPPLE!!!!!!!

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The owner Ted here at Everything Attachments used to race with his dad's money before he had to make his own. In racing, he learned how to make things strong and light and used that knowledge when he designed and built our new WICKED compact root grapple. Ted has used all the equipment that we sell and make at some time in his life and the thing he hated about compact root grapples and some other compact front loader attachments is the weight. Attachments on the back of the tractor, lots of times, depend on weight since there's no down force however anything on the front of the tractor that is not absolutely necessary is just dead weight. We're using a special steel not used in this industry very often. Average steel has a yield strength of 36,000 pounds. The steel we're using in this grapple to make it light and strong is a minimum of 80,000 pound yield strength. The cost is double but the results are great!! The grapple you see in the picture was taken with a cell phone(pardon the quality). Over Christmas vacation, it was used over 30 hours by Ted clearing a new lot.

The following is straight from Ted:
I did everything I could do to stress test this new design. I think anything can be torn up if you don't know how to use something properly but I tried almost everything and wasn't able to hurt it. It was also a pleasure not having that extra 100 pounds from the grapple I was using the day before. One of my friends rode by that knew me from the old days and the first thing out of his mouth after he knew I designed and built the grapple were...... "You've Race Car'ed it!!!" and I replied with a huge smile because he was right on the money!! The only other way to make a grapple lighter is to use 2 piece tines which are much cheaper and not near as strong. This was a 66" grapple, hoses, couplers and cylinders...complete....408 pounds. I went from 3/8" tines to 5/16" using 80,000 yield strength steel then laminated(with a small gusset at the end) the tips with 3/16" making it go thru the ground with just little grooves. The large gussets you see on other grapples make it much harder to push thru the ground when trying to get the roots and results in a lot more unwanted damage to the turf. Using our new laser, cutting the circular holes out of the tines alone reduced the weight by 38 pounds without reducing its strength and function whatsoever. The holes have to be cut with a laser instead of a plasma because the heat created from the plasma with the holes this close together will warp the tine. Also, we are able to put razor sharp teeth on the end which makes everything stay in the grapple much better and adds to it's wickedness. The outer tines are 3/8" and we did many other things that we will highlight in the video as soon as we get one painted for sell. Actually, I've already sold a couple over the phone with the attached pictures for delivery after New Years.
The BEST THING......they will cost you less than the root grapples that we're selling now from my brother's company @ Construction Attachments.
We can't wait to show you the video soon and point out the other design changes on what is sure to be the most revolutionary root grapple to date!! It is a superior design with a huge emphasis on strength and weight.
Let us know what you think!!!!

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   / The WICKED Root & Debris GRAPPLE!!!!!!!
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Ted is excited about this thing to say the least. He wanted me to add that he is looking forward to designing many more loader attachments using the same principles as this grapple. Superior design with strength and weight in mind!!
Stay Tuned!!!!
 
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How much? And what size?
 
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How much? And what size?

We will offer them in 54", 60", 66" and 72". Ted doesn't have a final price prepared to broadcast on here yet but he says they will be priced less than the Construction Attachments compact grapples which are the most popular ones we offer. The materials will cost us more but we can sell the grapple to you for less because we have no dealers, no dealer reps and no distributors.
 
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Looks really good! On my wr long grapple I ordered it with the optional bottom tines that angle down in the front. I find these work much better for moving logs. Might be somethin for y'all to consider.
 

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I see why you call them wicked, the name fits. Industrial looking cylinders if they make it into final production that way. I have seen the serrated tips before, I assume for gripping and pulling. I always worried that they would also cling to the load when you are trying to release, but maybe not. Depends on what you would be grappling I guess. All those holes would sure save weight if the added machining coats were not too much.
 
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When are these going to be available for purchase? Are they going to be available for FELs with pin on buckets?
 
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I'd recommend adding a 48" as it is a great size for CUTs. Looks interesting...
 
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I'd recommend adding a 48" as it is a great size for SCUTs. Looks interesting...

Fixed.....
:D

It sure looks like a cool grapple! I'll be interested to see the reviews on this once it's been out for a while. Good job on the design, I'd like to try one out!
 
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I see why you call them wicked, the name fits. Industrial looking cylinders if they make it into final production that way. I have seen the serrated tips before, I assume for gripping and pulling. I always worried that they would also cling to the load when you are trying to release, but maybe not. Depends on what you would be grappling I guess. All those holes would sure save weight if the added machining coats were not too much.

I would also be concerned with serrated tips for the same reason as above, maybe consider optional tips without ? Otherwise, I'm sold, unit looks awesome ! Please keep the forum updated on availability and pricing as you are able to...

Rich
 
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The more you guys keep salvating over it, the price is going up! Lol. I think it garbage, it's to wide, to long doesn't open enough, it's to light��, it's to black, it's to expensive��.
I'm kidding of course. This morning I ordered a 48" grapple and pallet forks from palletfork.com, hope I don't regret it. I'm sure I won't ( but I will check back to see what the cost of these are).
 
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I agree that a 48" should be considered also. A lot of SCUT/CUT owners have been buying them lately.
 
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Average steel has a yield strength of 36,000 pounds. The steel we're using in this grapple to make it light and strong is a minimum of 80,000 pound yield strength. The cost is double but the results are great!!
The following is straight from Ted:
I went from 3/8" tines to 5/16" using 80,000 yield strength steel then laminated(with a small gusset at the end) the tips with 3/16" making it go thru the ground with just little grooves.

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Since A36 steel has a minimum yield strength of 36,000 psi and
A514 /T1 steel has a yield strength of 100,000 psi.

Are you using A656 Grade 80 or some other steel to get your 80,000psi yield?
I have read where many of the manufacturers are using at least A514. A couple even higher yield strength. From the picture your tines seem very short before the cross support. Is that true or is it the picture that makes it look that way?
 
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Looks really good! On my wr long grapple I ordered it with the optional bottom tines that angle down in the front. I find these work much better for moving logs. Might be somethin for y'all to consider.

Ted isn't planning on making any with different tines. He used it extensively and said it worked great for picking up and moving logs. He is planning on offering additional bolt on tines that will go between the existing tines and lessen the spacing. This allows for finer sifting which is useful in certain applications.
 
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I see why you call them wicked, the name fits. I have seen the serrated tips before, I assume for gripping and pulling. I always worried that they would also cling to the load when you are trying to release, but maybe not. Depends on what you would be grappling I guess.
Ted said the sharp tines are awesome for gripping. He didn't have any problems unloading the grapple and says there's no way he'd trade it for the smooth tip grapple he was previously using. For picking material up, the leading edge of the tips are rounded so they allow the larger logs/material to roll right over them.
 
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He is planning on offering additional bolt on tines that will go between the existing tines and lessen the spacing. This allows for finer sifting which is useful in certain applications.

That is a great idea! When I bought my WR Long grapple, Nelson asked if I wanted extra tines welded in place, and I was worried about the additional weight from so much talk on TBN about it, so I declined. Now that I realize the additional weight wont' be an issue, I have cut some 22" long pieces of 2.5" flatbar to weld in between the tines myself. I find that medium sized rocks and firewood will fall between the 9" spacing that I have. I wish I had just had them weld the extra tines in the first place.

I think offering the bolt on tines is a very smart idea for this grapple. :thumbsup:
 
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Since A36 steel has a minimum yield strength of 36,000 psi and
A514 /T1 steel has a yield strength of 100,000 psi.

Are you using A656 Grade 80 or some other steel to get your 80,000psi yield?
I have read where many of the manufacturers are using at least A514. A couple even higher yield strength. From the picture your tines seem very short before the cross support. Is that true or is it the picture that makes it look that way?
I can tell you've done your homework. We are using Grade 80 for a couple different reasons.
A main reason for choosing Grade 80 is that it is plenty strong for this application and anything more, we believe, would unnecessarily inflate the cost.
None of our suppliers have T1 steel available under 1/2".
T1 steel is a lot more temperamental to machine and weld than what we are using.
The low quality cell phone photos may be making the tines look short but they're really not. We'll have some high quality pics on the website in the near future.(and a video)
 
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What about attachment options- is it going to be available in skid-steer style quick attach mounts only?
 
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What about attachment options- is it going to be available in skid-steer style quick attach mounts only?

As of right now, we will only offer it with the skid-steer style quick attach however we will be adding the JD quick attach as an option in the next couple of weeks. We are not planning on offering any pin-on mounts in the future for these grapples but we do offer custom quick attach adapters to convert pin-on loaders to skid steer quick attach.
 
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I agree that a 48" should be considered also. A lot of SCUT/CUT owners have been buying them lately.

We will consider a super light 48" for the future and if/when that happens, they will most likely be offered with the most popular subcompact pin-on loader mounts as an option.
 
 

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