How Do You Fill Your Diesel Tank

[ChiefLoneWolf]

Just heard back from No Spill and unfortunately their cans are not approved for sale in Canada.

Thank you, Smithpond, for the follow up. :thumbsup:
That of course sucks. Wonder why Canada feels it's less safe than the US.
Guess I gotta pick one up when I'm south - or order the one from Amazon (around 60 bucks though with shipping & taxes, and probably customs fees too).

However, does anyone have any experience with the DuraMAX Flo n'Go product. Looks nice too, but how does it handle. The Flo n'Gos are available at Canadian Tire.
They only come in 'red' though - means gas.

Is there a difference in material for diesel canisters. They are yellow - and cost about 50% more. Just bought a Scepter 5.3gal diesel can today for C$14.99 (the same in red is C$9.99).

 

[Scooby074]

Is there a difference in material for diesel canisters. They are yellow - and cost about 50% more. Just bought a Scepter 5.3gal diesel can today for C$14.99 (the same in red is C$9.99).

no difference.

 

[rsewill]

no difference.

Sort of like the wholesale price for gas and Diesel.

 

[RTII]

How do you fill the 55 gal tank? Is it in the bed of your pickup? Always heard not to fill a tank in the back of your truck but to place it on the ground due to the possibilty of static electricity igniting the fumes somehow. Not trying to be the safety police but like the idea if it can be done safely.

Not an issue with diesel fuel, since the vapors aren't explosive.

Plastic gas cans can be an issue with static charge and gasoline vapors, since they don't ground well to the metal fuel nozzle. It is a good idea to put your plastic GASoline cans on the ground when filling them.:

Thanks for the feedback. I'm gonna look into it. Should save a lot of effort over time.

 

[crazyal]

Thanks for the feedback. I'm gonna look into it. Should save a lot of effort over time.

It's a little bit of up front money but once you get yourself a 55 gallon drum set up with a pump you'll not regret it. I prefer an electric pump over a hand crank because it's no different than filling up your car, once the tank is full it trips the nozzle so you don't have to keep track. Also since the nozzle is the shut off the diesel in the hose is not going to leak out when you remove it from the tank.

I also have mine on a home built wooden frame with wheels I got from Harbor Freight. I roll the drum the garage where needed and out of the way when not needed. If you call your local fuel dealer you can get them to deliver usually even though it's below their minimum as long as you're not in a hurry. I know of very few that will not make an extra stop when in the area, they just don't like to make a special trip.

I also took a piece of 1/10" thick steel 1 1/2" wide and bent it into a circle so I can wrap it around the can. It has a bolt that connects the two ends together and clamps it to the drum. I have 4 single 5/16" chain links welded on it so I have an easy place to attach straps to it while on a trailer or in the back of the truck or to lift it out when full.

 

[boggen]

at moment with some old 5 gallon gas cans, that i have labeled with black marker for diesel. but to be honest. it is a pain in rear to fill. having just enough foot hold for just one foot. and having to prop other foot on front tire or frame of FEL. and hardly anything to lean against easily to keep my balance. and by the time i get high enough. it is a chore to lift the 5 gallon jugs right at head height and get them tipped into the fuel hole.

same goes for allis chalmers CA, having the belly mower on, helps give me a little stand to get the gas cans up, and tipped. but still fairly high.

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i have been tempted to get some pulleys and some cable and some hooks. so i can place pulley up high in the shed, and just lift gas can straight up on the pulley cable. and then tie off. so i can put gas into the allis chalmers CA tractor.

but for the ford 555c TLB and diesel, tractor to big to fit in shed.

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i have a couple 300 gravity tanks that set up on a stand. but they are to large for amount of gas and diesel i go through in a year. and i am not real keen of having to add extra preservatives or dealing with moisture.

that and having gas and/or diesel delivered, has been a costly venture, the couple companies near me, end up charging any were from 10 cents to a buck more than what the price is at local gas stations.

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if i had a pickup truck, vs a blazer, i might opt for a gas tank that fits in back of the pickup truck. some are built in L shape. to fit under a tool box. this would be a good option for me.

if i had a large size pickup truck, i might see how much it would cost to get a second tank placed under the bed. and then just fill up rear tank. and instead of hooking second tank up to truck, just place valve and pump on it. so i could fill up something else up.

i have been tempted to get a plastic 55 gallon drum, or perhaps a metal drum. and just strap it down onto a trailer and haul it into the gas station and fill it up. and then once back home. use the FEL on tractor to move it off trailer and put some place. with a hand pump or 12v pump on it. but after reading through regulations for Illinois i am not sure if that is legal. and looking at fines. i was discouraged.

i was more discouraged, about permanent gas tanks vs portable gas tanks for storage of gas and of diesel. and reading needing double wall tanks and if not double wall a catch basin and blah blah blah. my mind just went blank and gave up.

i would most likely be less discouraged if i understood the regulations better, and could set something up. so i would not fear of going BOOM! after reading through "grounding wires" so you do not create a spark just from static electricity. with a permanent tank and filling a tractor up. has me on edge even more.

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so for now, it is 5 gallon gas cans, and waiting to see a good deal on 12v or hand pump for gas and then one for diesel. and them some tanks both for hauling back and forth between gas station and farm, and then some tanks to store the gas and diesel here on the farm.

 

[Scooby074]

Sort of like the wholesale price for gas and Diesel.

yep. diesel is about the same price as gas here

 

[dayrunner]

I went to northern tool and bought a 15 gallon can that has a squeeze pump handle on it. It also has 2 ball valves that turn on and off supply to a 10 ft hose. It works pretty well is you don't mind the work out of the hand. Oh the only other bad thing is its kinda heavy in and out of the truck but I'm working on that one to.

 

[RTII]

It's a little bit of up front money but once you get yourself a 55 gallon drum set up with a pump you'll not regret it. I prefer an electric pump over a hand crank because it's no different than filling up your car, once the tank is full it trips the nozzle so you don't have to keep track. Also since the nozzle is the shut off the diesel in the hose is not going to leak out when you remove it from the tank......l.

This sounds great. Where can I find a setup like this? The tank i can get but I'm interested in the pump hose, nozzle and trip.

 

[Dr Dave]

At times when I run out of gas for mower, I hook up a fuel pressure tester guage hose to a vehical and start engine, takes about 5 min to fill 5 gal can. I have thought about adding a T to fuel line on my truck with a hose and valve, could use a quick connect coupler for hose. If installed after filter, you can have fresh, clean, fuel at anytime:thumbsup:
There would be no need for gas cans or bulk tank moisture problems

 

[greenrider1]

This sounds great. Where can I find a setup like this? The tank i can get but I'm interested in the pump hose, nozzle and trip.

I'd start with Craigslist. I just bought a Fill-Rite rotary hand pump with meter and filter for $60 that I plan on using on a 55 gallon drum for ethanol-free gas for my small engine equipment and boat. I had to replace the hose, filter, and I added my own auto shut-off nozzle. You could also try jmesales.com or Northern Tool. I got the 55 gallon drum (empty) for free from a local oil distributor. The auto shut-off nozzles are great, and work with the rotary hand pumps also. Just crank until it clicks and shuts off the fuel flow. No spills, and no lifting heavy cans.

 

[RTII]

Thanks, I'll give it a try............

 

[smp999]

for small application, I just use this syphon

Put the brass end in the jerrycan, other into your machine, shake a few times and the flow starts. Your jerrycan has to be above fuel tank for gravity/syphon to work

 

[crazyal]

Thanks, I'll give it a try............

I have a 12 volt Fill-rite pump but to be honest it's overkill. It comes with the nozzle that shuts off once the fuel reaches the tip (just like the nozzle on gas station pumps). It's really designed to be used by someone who has equipment out in the field he needs to fill daily. There are other brands that are not as expensive that I would look into if I was to buy one now. I got the type that threads into the 2" port on a 55 gallon drum.

 

[LBrown59]

1*I got tired of the 5 gallon containers so I got a 13 gpm fill-rite pump 12 v model and two 55 gallon drums.

1*Did you know this pump is for filling these drums just as much as it is for filling your tractor ?

It's a little bit of up front money but once you get yourself a 55 gallon drum set up with a pump you'll not regret it. I prefer an electric pump over a hand crank because it's no different than filling up your car, once the tank is full it trips the nozzle so you don't have to keep track. Also since the nozzle is the shut off the diesel in the hose is not going to leak out when you remove it from the tank.
2*I also have mine on a home built wooden frame with wheels I got from Harbor Freight.
I also took a piece of 1/10" thick steel 1 1/2" wide and bent it into a circle so I can wrap it around the can. It has a bolt that connects the two ends together and clamps it to the drum. I have 4 single 5/16" chain links welded on it so I have an easy place to attach straps to it while on a trailer or in the back of the truck or to lift it out when full.

2* Why go to all this bother -what do you think your pump is for ?

3*if I had a pickup truck, vs a blazer, I might opt for a gas tank that fits in back of the pickup truck.
some are built in L shape. to fit under a tool box. this would be a good option for me.
4*I have been tempted to get a plastic 55 gallon drum, or perhaps a metal drum. and just strap it down onto a trailer and haul it into the gas station and fill it up. and then once back home.
5*use the FEL on tractor to move it off trailer and put some place. with a hand pump or 12 v pump on it
but after reading through regulations for Illinois
6* I am not sure if that is legal. and looking at fines.
I was more discouraged, about permanent gas tanks vs portable gas tanks for storage of gas and of diesel. and reading needing double wall tanks and if not double wall a catch basin and blah blah blah. my mind just went blank and gave up.
7*I would most likely be less discouraged if I understood the regulations better, and could set something up so I would not fear of going BOOM! after reading through "grounding wires" so you do not create a spark just from static electricity. with a permanent tank and filling a tractor up. has me on edge even more.
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8*so for now, it is 5 gallon gas cans, and waiting to see a good deal on 12 v or hand pump for gas and then one for diesel. and them
9*some tanks both for hauling back and forth between gas station and farm, and then some tanks to store the gas and diesel here on the farm.

3*The big fault with this idea is theft and Vandalism and the fact that you are always carrying the fuel aground with you .
4*-5* That's the hard complicated way.
Hauling drum
Storage drum
Here is the easy effortless method.
6*first find out if the regulations apply to commercial use not personal .
7*That's not a problem with diesel .
8*Get the pump and you will thank your self over and over again .
9*See the blue drum in # 4 and the white drum in #5.

I went to northern tool and bought a 15 gallon can that has a squeeze pump handle on it. It also has 2 ball valves that turn on and off supply to a 10 ft hose. It works pretty well if you don't mind the work out of the hand.
Oh the only other bad thing is its kind of heavy in and out of the truck
10* but I'm working on that one to.

10*Don't take the tank to get it filled take 4 5 gallon cans and put 3.75 gallons in each one so they won't be so heavy to handle when filling the 15 gallon tank.

11*I have a 12 volt Fill-rite pump but to be honest it's overkill.
12*I got the type that threads into the 2" port on a 55 gallon drum.

11*It's not over kill you 're simply not putting it to full use.
12*I did an off the drum on the shelf mount of my pump.

 

[jeff9366]

Attached are photos of EAGLE/Red and JUSTRITE/Yellow steel, made in the USA, Type II fuel cans. They are both lifetime cans. You will NOT spill or drip due to the design of the cans. I prefer the JUSTRITE can due of the larger diameter metal filler and because the JUSTRITE filler bale works a little better for me.

These are self-venting cans. As it heats up during the day here in Florida both cans occasionally hiss a split second. (Vent desired by thread originator.)

I bought my two cans together from Amazon.com Free shipping over $25 and NO sales tax. Still expensive fuel cans but worth it for the quality. Order carefully....specify the filler inner diameter you prefer for your tasks. Red, Yellow, Green, Blue and maybe Puce paint available.

If you want five gallon capacity cans these are of the HIGHEST QUALITY.

 

[Tcfake613]

I have used one of these American Wick SI-60 Hand Operated Siphon Pump - Plastic for about five years now. I think I payed about $1.95 or 2.95. Only a drop or two spilled. Put a couple of gloves on the engine hood to keep 5gall tank from scratching it. insert siphon, pump 5-6 times, watch diesel go into tank while doing ... nothing. Easy and cheap too

Hey... You took my idea... That's exactly what I do. Two gloves and the same siphon. I siphon down to about an inch left in the container then pour the rest in. Never have any issues. I even use the blue kero containers because I don't feel like spending money on the yellow one!

 

[kfvintx]

I went to northern tool and bought a 15 gallon can that has a squeeze pump handle on it. It also has 2 ball valves that turn on and off supply to a 10 ft hose. It works pretty well is you don't mind the work out of the hand. Oh the only other bad thing is its kinda heavy in and out of the truck but I'm working on that one to.

Yep, that's what i use. I think it is the Flo n Go asked about earlier in thread. I used the hand pump one time and quickly found better way.

I place the can on front loader as it fits perfectly in cradle like spot between pin and bucket. I then gently raise the bucket just high enough so that it become gravity feed into tank with one squeeze on handle pump.

I eventually will get more permanent and larger tank but this works for now.

 

[GILLYS CHILLI FARM AUSTRA]

I,ve decided i gont want to fiddle around with small cans so I'm ordering a 200 Litre= 52 US Gallons i'm told which is described as follows:
200 Litre DieselPro transfer tank fitted with a 12-volt Piusi diesel pump, pump cover delivery hose, auto-shut off gun and lockable filling cap.

Application
Diesel Transfel Equipment

Key Features
BP3000 Piusi 12Volt pump, 45L/min open flow
A high quality auto shutoff gun with swivel adaptor
Impact resistant Polytuff tank with lid and breather
5 metres of quality 19mm ID diesel delivery hose
5 metres of battery cable with alligator clips so you can easily reach your power source
Gun holder on tank face with provision for padlock
Internal foot filter on suction hose
Safety bottom fill drop tube
Lower profile design for clear view through utility rear window

Options Available
Inline litre counter (PF11-X2)

Specifications Tank Size 200.00 litres
Pump Size 45.00 L/min
Height/Width/Depth 550mm / 550mm / 1,100mm
Product Weight 24.00 KG

I imagine you should have these in the USA?

 

[GILLYS CHILLI FARM AUSTRA]

bOnviously the diesel tank should go on a small trailer which can be transported to refill or to refill the tractor in the event of running out of fuel in the paddocks..lol