New equipment tie down....

[Big Bri]

While taking my Kid to school this morning we came across this. The strap is pretty bad but it's also a light duty trailer, with 3500 lb axles. They were driving 65 to 70 down a 4 lane hwy in rush hr traffic.

 

[Big Bri]

Well I got a new phone and it must not be compatible with tbn as it doesn't allow me to up load any photos. Find that hard to be leave...maybe it's just operator error. I have an iPhone what am I doing wrong.

 

[Big Bri]

Had to email the photos to myself and upload from the computer. . . i miss my droid.
enjoy

 

[rsewill]

Well I got a new phone and it must not be compatible with tbn as it doesn't allow me to up load any photos. Find that hard to be leave...maybe it's just operator error. I have an iPhone what am I doing wrong.

If you are using the TBN app (rather than accessing TBN from a browser,) to add a photo click on the '+' in the upper right of the screen next to the 'Send' button.

 

[Big Bri]

If you are using the TBN app (rather than accessing TBN from a browser,) to add a photo click on the '+' in the upper right of the screen next to the 'Send' button.

wasn't using the app. never had to on the droid. guess i'll have to try that on this phone because i could not upload a photo to a craigslist add last week ether. Thanks for the advice.

 

[Johndeere3720]

Hmm, the only thing that strap is gonna do is prevent the skid steer from sliding backwards off the trailer. What happens though if the driver stops fast? :confused2: I also couldn't help but notice that his track is loose, if he lets it be the sprocket will eventually put unnecessary wear on the lugs in the tracks. :confused2: All I can say is i am glad that wasn't my skid steer on that trailer, mine gets strapped down with several chains and binders. :thumbsup:

 

[rsewill]

While taking my Kid to school this morning we came across this. The strap is pretty bad but it's also a light duty trailer, with 3500 lb axles. They were driving 65 to 70 down a 4 lane hwy in rush hr traffic.

I'm a retired truck driver with lots of flat bed and some low boy experience. The rule is pretty much that the load needs to stay put in the trailer under all driving conditions. That's my wording, not the law's.

That driver in your photo would not need to use any additional securement if the skid steer would fight tightly in the trailer on all sides as long as the trailer is sturdy enough to handle the driving conditions and, of course, the truck and trailer are legal in all other respects. You do not need to strap, chain, etc. your load if it will not shift. It is not required that the load be secured enough to stay on the hauling vehicle if it rolls over into a ditch, etc. but it better stay in place if he has a 'typical' fender bender. Load shifting is prohibited.

The pictured trailer and load has several obvious problems. The sides are marginal appearing as far as sturdiness, marginal as to whether they are high enough to keep the skid steer from tipping out on a hard turn, and obviously the machine doesn't fit tightly in the trailer so it does need to be chained or strapped properly. Clearly no knots except for tarps and other load coverings as long as the coverings do not shift.

 

[rsewill]

wasn't using the app. never had to on the droid. guess i'll have to try that on this phone because i could not upload a photo to a craigslist add last week ether. Thanks for the advice.

Great app. The only thing I wish it had was more member info like that shown on the web page access like location, total posts, etc. You can click on the posters icon but the info provided is limited Otherwise it is probably the best app of its type.

Edit: it does show total posts. My bad. Now my only complaint is lack of location info.

 

[Big Bri]

in Louisiana you have to have all equipment chained on 4 corners and all buckets have to be chained down as well. he is not even close to being legal here. You are right the trailer was way to light, the wheels were tilted inward and the tires were riding on the edge of the tread.

I'm a retired truck driver with lots of flat bed and some low boy experience. The rule is pretty much that the load needs to stay put in the trailer under all driving conditions. That's my wording, not the law's.

That driver in your photo would not need to use any additional securement if the skid steer would fight tightly in the trailer on all sides as long as the trailer is sturdy enough to handle the driving conditions and, of course, the truck and trailer are legal in all other respects. You do not need to strap, chain, etc. your load if it will not shift. It is not required that the load be secured enough to stay on the hauling vehicle if it rolls over into a ditch, etc. but it better stay in place if he has a 'typical' fender bender. Load shifting is prohibited.

The pictured trailer and load has several obvious problems. The sides are marginal appearing as far as sturdiness, marginal as to whether they are high enough to keep the skid steer from tipping out on a hard turn, and obviously the machine doesn't fit tightly in the trailer so it does need to be chained or strapped properly. Clearly no knots except for tarps and other load coverings as long as the coverings do not shift.

 

[MHarryE]

Interesting because I hauled my mini-excavator from Minnesota to Missouri in my dump trailer. There was no good way to tie it down because the top of the tracks are about even with the sides. I loaded it forward so the blade was against the front wall. Then I lowered the bucket against the tailgate so it was locked in place. I questioned MN, IA, & MO DOT. What do I need to secure it? Answer was that chains are required on flatbeds, but in my case since the load was locked in place by the sides, no chaining was necessary. I did run one 3/8" chain over the tracks and the only solid piece of steel on the track frame that was above the tracks even though they said it was not needed because you never know how a trooper might interpret the rules. It would likely have stayed in the trailer in a roll-over, but there was absolutely no way to chain 4 corners like I do when I haul it on my flatbed. I think I met all the rules that retired trucker said. At Caterpillar we designed our smallest compactors with 4 tie-down points but almost all leave the factory with truckers running one heavy strap over either the articulation joint or across the operator platform. Our shipping department just records how they are tied down on departure - the method used is truckers discretion and responsibility.

 

[mjncad]

Whas dee matter? We tie down loads like thees all dee time in Messyco.

Or that's how Wal-Martians tie down their loads.

 

[20 20]

From looking at the machine I don't think this person cares one way or the other. In NY if it is not secured in all 4 corners you will be looking at a ticket. Maybe he thought the strap was a ribbon and he was just gift rapping it

 

[Fixemall]

Besides the lack of secure bindings, that trailer is a light duty car or landscape trailer, not really designed for that type of load. I have seen similar knuckleheads tooling down the road, I think the worst one I saw was a Mahindra 4510 cab tractor on a trailer like that with the bucket up so the rear scraper box would clear the taillights....and bound down with one strap.

 

[Qapla]

I have a friend with a skid-steer that he used to load on his flatbed and just drive to the next job. He did that for many years without problems.

The State decided to enact and regulate stricter tie-down laws and he decided he should tie down his skid-steer.

He had a heavy piece of steel welded across the front edge that sits on a slight angle. This allows him to pull his machine all the way forward, locking the front bucket under the steel lip. It does not cover the entire bucket, only the blade on the bottom edge, but it holds it very secure.

He then uses a chain on each side pulling from the side near the back of the machine forward to cleats on the trailer that he uses binders on. This pulls the machine tighter into the cleat on the front blade.

His machine is secure and legal and has the advantage of being much quicker to load/unload.

 

[Treemonkey1000]

That's his version of the "truckers knot" for that strap so that makes it legal. :laughing: Looks like an Axeman candidate there.

 

[moored4]

Big Bri; I'm proud of! :thumbsup: Cause when you took the pictures you were at a red light!

Edit I'm going to not look at the trailer tires in the 3rd picture! OPPS!

 

[Big Bri]

Big Bri; I'm proud of! :thumbsup: Cause when you took the pictures you were at a red light!

Edit I'm going to not look at the trailer tires in the 3rd picture! OPPS!

I was at a light when i took the first two but my daughter took the third. to tell you the troth she took the first shot as we passed and when we got to the next light i took the second two. i hate talking on my phone when i drive, much less taking pic's. (not that i haven't done it in the past) but i would never take a pic with my kid in the car as i don't want to teach her any of my bad habits.

 

[sparc]

What's the weight of a T-190? somewhere in the neighborhood of 7800 to 8000 pounds right? That's about 4 times the weight of that utility trailer, maybe more. So that's roughly 10K being pulled by that F-250 and it looks like the weight distribution might be a bit heavy on the ball.

 

[Soundguy]

i see that all the time here.. a skidsteer on a landscape trialer.. usually no tie downs, and it parked unevenly on a pile of limbs.. or pulled too far front or rear.

at least that one had a 3" strap on it.. somewhere...

 

[Artisan]

Whas dee matter? We tie down loads like thees all dee time in Messyco.

Or that's how Wal-Martians tie down their loads.

Oh man... Thumper and Bambi wouldn't approve either I bet! :thumbsup:

A T-190 weighs 7775 lbs or 8200 lbs w/ roller suspension, plus 28 gallons of diesel at what, 6# a gallon?

So if it is roller suspension w/ a full load of fuel = 8368 Lbs.

3500 axles x 2 = 7000 minus what, 1400 for the trailer? So a trailer payload of 5600#, so 8368-5600= 2768 Pounds overweight or almost 50% of the axle capacity overweight.

THE TRUCK= GVWR Maximum 9600, The weight of the truck, assumng it is a 2010 model year = Curb Weight MT = 6092, plus 28 gallons of fuel at 6 = 168 + driver maybe 200# = 3140 pounds of cargo and trailer.

Tow Capacity (Maximum) 12500

Truck = 6092
Truck Fuel = 168?
Driver = 200
Trailer = 1400 ?
T-190 = 8368
T-190 Fuel = 168?
Misc stuff = 104
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16500 on the hoof.
-Tow Capacity (Maximum) 12500
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TWO TON OVER, or 4000 POUNDS OVER on the GCVW
and 2768 Pounds OVER on the trailer.