L3400 3-point hitch adjustment

   / L3400 3-point hitch adjustment #181  
I owned a '77 Mercury Bobcat/Ford Pinto. Thank God it didn't have a 3-point hitch :laughing:

Sean if the Pinto, had a 3pt hitch it would not have been jerky when you raised it slowly, it would have exploded!!:laughing::laughing: just kidding.. Spent 6 hours with the wife outside today moving and setting big rocks. (largest estimated at about 1000 lbs). As always the L3400 performed flawlessly. Of course I raised the 3pt many times, but always all the way up and down for my ballast weight. For most of what I do the 3pt is fine, It is really the principal of the thing, it should work smoothly when you move it slowly..but it doesn't.

James K0UA
 
   / L3400 3-point hitch adjustment #182  
Well, I will add some to this thread for the little it is probably worth.

My tractor is 2010 MX4700 HST. The position control valve is the 'type 3', part number YR908-00104. The 3pt hitch is jerky if I try to go from full down to full up in anything less than about 6 seconds. It is very difficult to get any movement less than an inch measured at the end of the arms.

Dealer got 'permission' from Kubota to take the top off the tranny and inspect the valve and adjust if necessary. In the dealers words, they found the poppet valve/set screw clearance way too wide and had to turn the set screw about 4.5 turns to get it into WSM specs. They then told me the hitch was smooth, but they were waiting on a gasket to be able to finish putting it all together. Since I had viewed this thread, I told them the first thing I would check would be for 'settling' when the engine was turned off or loader used when the 3pt was elevated. That was last week before I went on a short trip.

Today, I spoke to them again. They had checked for settling after my urging and found that to be the case as described by others earlier in this thread. They then tried backing off the set screw in 0.5 turn increments to get rid of the settling. The jerkiness returned by the time the settling stopped.

I was told the regional rep was in and had seen the tractor and was aware of my complaint. This rep had no immediate further suggestion for the dealer. Apparently, there is some 'big meeting' this week of regional service managers and he was going to ask around at this meeting for suggestions, fixes, etc....

The mechanic at the dealer told me the managers discussed putting in a valve from a 3010, but wanted to wait and see if anything materialized at the meeting mentioned above. I have looked at the parts blow ups of the latest L3010 valve and the valve on my tractor. Although, they have different part numbers, they look identical to me. Unless there is actually a defect in my valve I don't think this valve change is an answer either.

So the tractor has been in the dealer's shop 13 days. When adjusted to WSM specs it is unusable due to the settling. (They agree I can't do serious loader work with 1200 lbs of ballast on the 3pt and have the 3pt jumping every time I move the loader.) They can get rid of the settling and return to jerkiness, but they admit it must be set outside of specs to even get that which doesn't seem right to them or me. Kubota was willing to pay for them to look into this initially, so Kubota didn't write this off as 'normal'. My dealer has three MXs on the lot. They all have jerky hitches to some extent, although I really think mine was/is worse. Of course the lot tractors all have one valve newer than mine (YR908-00105).

Encouraged that the dealer/rep still seem to be looking for a suitable resolution. Discouraged that I don't have a tractor that does what I need/think it should do.

Fortunately, we have not had and have no big snow in the forecast. It is too wet to do anything else, so, except the barn looking empty, I have not missed the tractor as of yet.

Wxman
 
   / L3400 3-point hitch adjustment #183  
Today I made a trip to a Bota dealer to pick up a 7foot grader blade. Low and behold it was on the back of a L3800 when I got there. So I could not let the opportunity slip by.... I asked for the keys to the L so I could compare it to my L3700. The blade weight was 300 pounds +\- and it bounced around on the 3800 just like my 3700.
 
   / L3400 3-point hitch adjustment
  • Thread Starter
#184  
Well, I will add some to this thread for the little it is probably worth.

My tractor is 2010 MX4700 HST. The position control valve is the 'type 3', part number YR908-00104. The 3pt hitch is jerky if I try to go from full down to full up in anything less than about 6 seconds. It is very difficult to get any movement less than an inch measured at the end of the arms.

Dealer got 'permission' from Kubota to take the top off the tranny and inspect the valve and adjust if necessary. In the dealers words, they found the poppet valve/set screw clearance way too wide and had to turn the set screw about 4.5 turns to get it into WSM specs. They then told me the hitch was smooth, but they were waiting on a gasket to be able to finish putting it all together. Since I had viewed this thread, I told them the first thing I would check would be for 'settling' when the engine was turned off or loader used when the 3pt was elevated. That was last week before I went on a short trip.

Today, I spoke to them again. They had checked for settling after my urging and found that to be the case as described by others earlier in this thread. They then tried backing off the set screw in 0.5 turn increments to get rid of the settling. The jerkiness returned by the time the settling stopped.

I was told the regional rep was in and had seen the tractor and was aware of my complaint. This rep had no immediate further suggestion for the dealer. Apparently, there is some 'big meeting' this week of regional service managers and he was going to ask around at this meeting for suggestions, fixes, etc....

The mechanic at the dealer told me the managers discussed putting in a valve from a 3010, but wanted to wait and see if anything materialized at the meeting mentioned above. I have looked at the parts blow ups of the latest L3010 valve and the valve on my tractor. Although, they have different part numbers, they look identical to me. Unless there is actually a defect in my valve I don't think this valve change is an answer either.

So the tractor has been in the dealer's shop 13 days. When adjusted to WSM specs it is unusable due to the settling. (They agree I can't do serious loader work with 1200 lbs of ballast on the 3pt and have the 3pt jumping every time I move the loader.) They can get rid of the settling and return to jerkiness, but they admit it must be set outside of specs to even get that which doesn't seem right to them or me. Kubota was willing to pay for them to look into this initially, so Kubota didn't write this off as 'normal'. My dealer has three MXs on the lot. They all have jerky hitches to some extent, although I really think mine was/is worse. Of course the lot tractors all have one valve newer than mine (YR908-00105).

Encouraged that the dealer/rep still seem to be looking for a suitable resolution. Discouraged that I don't have a tractor that does what I need/think it should do.

Fortunately, we have not had and have no big snow in the forecast. It is too wet to do anything else, so, except the barn looking empty, I have not missed the tractor as of yet.

Wxman

Wxman,

Although I truly wish your dealer had achieved better results than I did, I'm glad it isn't just me that can't set the dam* thing to make it smooth. From what you've said, the results were nearly identical to mine.

I'm starting to think the problem extends far outside the economy L series, possibly to any tractor that uses the type 2/3 valves. Maybe we're sensitized to the problem we have, in that once we know about it existing, we start looking for it?

I think we can set the poppet set screw slightly closer than the factory settings, although it won't make the hitch smooth in the true sense, only decrease vertical distance it jumps. I shied away from doing that with mine, for one thing I was getting sick of taking it apart repeatedly and didn't want to do it again in case I was wrong. At some point, it may start to hunt up and down and that's truly a not good situation.

I'm glad your dealer agreed that the settling was going to be a problem with any amount of weight on the hitch. That was the same conclusion I reached after a couple hours clearing snow with only the rear blade (~300 lbs) mounted.

Good luck with it, in any case. I'm hoping they put some heads together and either find a solution, or put a little pressure on Kubota to do it.

Sean
 
   / L3400 3-point hitch adjustment
  • Thread Starter
#185  
Today I made a trip to a Bota dealer to pick up a 7foot grader blade. Low and behold it was on the back of a L3800 when I got there. So I could not let the opportunity slip by.... I asked for the keys to the L so I could compare it to my L3700. The blade weight was 300 pounds +- and it bounced around on the 3800 just like my 3700.

That's been my experience as well, I tried an '11 L3800 with a chipper mounted and it was comparable to mine, maybe slightly better.

Did you by any chance ask the dealer what their thoughts were on the bouncy hitch?

Sean
 
   / L3400 3-point hitch adjustment #186  
Well, I will add some to this thread for the little it is probably worth....
Wxman, Wow you added a great deal of information for us. Heard of some other models but kind of discounted them... Please, let us know what you ultimately find out. teg
 
   / L3400 3-point hitch adjustment #187  
That's been my experience as well, I tried an '11 L3800 with a chipper mounted and it was comparable to mine, maybe slightly better.

Did you by any chance ask the dealer what their thoughts were on the bouncy hitch?

Sean

I did not, the sales guy that got the key for me just looked at it after I showed him what I was looking for. I to.d him my 3700 was terrible and all he could say was that it is how it is.
 
   / L3400 3-point hitch adjustment #188  
Ok today was the day to discuss the possible repair of my jerky hitch with the sympathetic dealership service manager located some distance away. If you will remember from my previous posting, that my selling dealer did not have any answers, and was not interested in trying any adjustments.. They did give me a free hydraulic suction hose though.:) Not that that has anything to do with this problem. But this dealership took an interest in my complaint and was willing to work with me to get it resolved if possible.

So the gist of the conversation was I filled the service manager in on the results obtained by Chilly807 and LD1 and after hearing the results and that I had every confidence in these 2 fellas work, diagnostics and conclusions, he did not want to attempt any adjustments, and he had no "insider" information to do any better. He was also dissapointed that the adjustments, although solving the original problem, introduced a worse problem. So short of changing out a valve with some other model tractor, he had no solution now either. No point in my paying him money to tell me he cannot fix it. He again stated that although he asked, the regional Kubota rep would not pay for any new valve or any warranty work on this, even though I am still in warranty.. The man was very sympathetic to the problem and was as sad as I am that there is nothing he can really do. So in conclusion, I guess I am done also. I can live with it, I can overshoot the 3pt lever to where I want to go and feather down smooth as silk.. If I miss the point I want to be at, well I can do that again.. It is unfortunate, but this seems to be the way it is. Other than this one annoying problem the tractor has been excellent so far and works really well.

James K0UA
 
   / L3400 3-point hitch adjustment #189  
Sorry to hear that k0ua. Its unfortunate, they are nice tractors but Kubota is doing its dealers a real disservice with this bs. It must not be a big enough problem for them to care. Yes, technically it goes up and down but I'd like to get a Kubota rep to drill some post holes or try to box blade with these tractors for a day and see what they say.

I double checked the 3pt on mine, it definitely does not move when the 3pt is static and the loader is moved up/down or against the relief.

I'm too chicken to open mine to see what the valve measurements are. You don't mess with something that works. Even if I did, I'm not sure if that would make a difference since Sean has methodically tried most settings. When I talked with the mechanic that did the work on mine, it was all trial and error setting the valve. I am told they kept the original valve and I don't have any reason to believe otherwise when they ate the costs. ???

Jim
 
   / L3400 3-point hitch adjustment #190  
Sorry to hear that k0ua. Its unfortunate, they are nice tractors but Kubota is doing its dealers a real disservice with this bs. It must not be a big enough problem for them to care. Yes, technically it goes up and down but I'd like to get a Kubota rep to drill some post holes or try to box blade with these tractors for a day and see what they say.


According to some dealers, they have never seen a L3400 that had a jerky hitch:confused2:

I'm too chicken to open mine to see what the valve measurements are. You don't mess with something that works.

I dont blame you one bit. I am glad you got a good one though. Maybe it is simple to adjust on the latest valve. Unlike the old one chilley has and unlike the ancient one I have.
 

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