MY2012 5085M ordered today!

[Edward. S]

April/May is what I'm being told. Hopefully it will be sooner, but that is what the computer says right now.


That is just a green piece of metal trim that I moved outside. I can see how it almost looks like it it part of the hoe in that picture.


Yeah, this 6405 quite rough around the edges. I noticed that the cab is very dusty. I guess either it was used with the rear/side windows open a lot working bare dirt, or these things don't have sealed cabs.

Same time for mine. I'm told that around April 18/19 for me. Just one month of ordering today.

It probably has seals, just that their dry rotted out. (correct term?)

I like working with the back window open.

One of my close friends that are farmers just got his JD 5101E Limited W/ 542 SL loader jacked.. Don't know how it happened. Sad that it did. He lives on the same property with it, impossible to not to hear it running.

 

[pclausen]

AK,
Here's a couple of pics of the subframe. It's pretty sturdy; it weighs almost 600lbs. alone. The complete unit weighs close to 3000lbs.

Wow, that does look very study! Had it not been for the opportunity to pick up this Woods 3pt hoe for a really good price, I would have likely gotten a used mini ex down the road. I looked and looked for a used 595 but never was able to locate one and a new one would run over $10k, hence the reason I was looking at a mini ex for the same price.

I spend a lot of time today pulling the pins out one at a time, and replacing grease fitting as needed (about half of them were rusted shut from sitting) and re-greased everything.

Now I just need to get the bucket back, and I'll be able to play with this thing. I also plan to talk to MIE about making me a ripper like this to help with the stump removal:

 

[Bigfoot62]

Yeah, this 6405 quite rough around the edges. I noticed that the cab is very dusty. I guess either it was used with the rear/side windows open a lot working bare dirt, or these things don't have sealed cabs.

My guess is that the A/C is out, and it was run with the windows open. You probably haven't needed the A/C lately.

Actually, I've found that the JD cabs are about the best. This past hay season, (if you could even call it a hay season) I worked mine in the dustiest conditions that I've ever seen. There were times that I couldn't even see my hay baler. But, I never saw any dust entering the cab. Just what I tracked in with my boots.

 

[Zebrafive]

I don't know how much Zebrafive's 6415 costs but I rather take that than the 6405. :laughing:

For those interested MY 6415 is open station, MFWD, PowerQuad, PowrReverser. Two rear SCVs, Joystick and two Mid ICVs, JD 640 SL loader, 90KG frt starter weight, hood guard, extendable lower three point links, front fenders (which I took off), 18.4-34 rears and 13.6-24 fronts Radial tires. One owner, 2600Hours, $27,800

I wanted a MFWD 5425 with a loader, but all were in the mid to high $30K range.

 

[pclausen]

Good news. I fixed the EH hitch control! Just had to clean to connector pins on the solenoid. I stopped by the dealer and they have me the missing lift arm pins and ordered me a stabilizer bar end link. No cost to me as are responsible for ensuring my loaner is in good operational condition. They were going to send out a tech tomorrow to look at the EH hitch control, so I figured I would give it another shot myself.

Bad news. I'm leaking hydraulic fluid from the PTO shaft. I'd say a at least a couple of ounces every 24 hours. Is this an easy fix? I guess I'll have the dealer come out and fix that issue.

Those loader self leveling rods and brackets sure kill the view from the operator station. I'm rethinking my decision to get that feature on my H260 loader now.

On my 460 loader, I could move the joystick to like the 2 o'clock position to get an all hydraulic self leveling feature of sorts. It took practice and was slower than doing raise and curl separately. The automatic all hydraulic self-leveling option on the large Kubota's that I test drove was nice. Too bad Deere doesn't offer something like that.

 

[Martian]

Good news. I fixed the EH hitch control! Just had to clean to connector pins on the solenoid. I stopped by the dealer and they have me the missing lift arm pins and ordered me a stabilizer bar end link. No cost to me as are responsible for ensuring my loaner is in good operational condition. They were going to send out a tech tomorrow to look at the EH hitch control, so I figured I would give it another shot myself.

Bad news. I'm leaking hydraulic fluid from the PTO shaft. I'd say a at least a couple of ounces every 24 hours. Is this an easy fix? I guess I'll have the dealer come out and fix that issue.

Those loader self leveling rods and brackets sure kill the view from the operator station. I'm rethinking my decision to get that feature on my H260 loader now.

On my 460 loader, I could move the joystick to like the 2 o'clock position to get an all hydraulic self leveling feature of sorts. It took practice and was slower than doing raise and curl separately. The automatic all hydraulic self-leveling option on the large Kubota's that I test drove was nice. Too bad Deere doesn't offer something like that.

Good news on the EH!

Bad news on the PTO.

I know I've love the SL on my 5410, which is just a couple generations older 5085M. I (obviously) don't have a cab but my visibility is good. Really only difference is the top bar. When I bought I was doing a lot of hay work with large square bales. I would stake 3-4 high on top of each other so I didn't want to spill them. I can say it's made life easier. I don't think that the 6405 is a good comparison for the SL. If it were me I would do the SL again. there wasn't a substantial difference in the two when I was comparing, in terms of sight. But the std. loader does have quite a bit higher capacity if you really need it.

 

[Caledon Hills]

Three point back hoes have broken the backs of many tractors. I would be looking for a way to mount with a sub frame with all the usage you have outlined.

pclausen,

I really like Gator's post and agree 100% with it.

My suggestion would be to buy the subframe for the 5m/595 and attach it to the Woods BH with a fabricated adapter that bolts to the subframe and mates with the 3ph mounts on the BH.
Then when you find a 595(or even a 49), just pretty up the Woods, sell it, get the right one and it'll bolt right on.:thumbsup:

Personally, I would never put a three point backhoe on my tractor, even if I had the OK in writing from Deere.

Regards,

Tom

 

[pclausen]

But the std. loader does have quite a bit higher capacity if you really need it.

Actually, the MSL has more capacity, in some cases (lift capacity at full height), by a large margin:

 

[Edward. S]

Good news on the EH!

Bad news on the PTO.

I know I've love the SL on my 5410, which is just a couple generations older 5085M. I (obviously) don't have a cab but my visibility is good. Really only difference is the top bar. When I bought I was doing a lot of hay work with large square bales. I would stake 3-4 high on top of each other so I didn't want to spill them. I can say it's made life easier. I don't think that the 6405 is a good comparison for the SL. If it were me I would do the SL again. there wasn't a substantial difference in the two when I was comparing, in terms of sight. But the std. loader does have quite a bit higher capacity if you really need it.

Thats one nice 5410! We have the same canopy on my 5310. I like that manly transmission choice too. Too bad I had to crack mine open at the dealer to get a new clutch.

Actually, the MSL has more capacity, in some cases (lift capacity at full height), by a large margin:

I wonder why the bigger H310 has a smaller dumping angle.

 

[Caledon Hills]

I like it! What model tractors will it fit?

Zebra,

I know you can put it on the 5e Limited as well as the 5m.

The 5x20 and 5x25 have the same or very similar running gear as the 5e Limited I believe, so it should fit them too.

Don't know about the 5x00 and 5x10 though.

Regards,

Tom

 

[pclausen]

pclausen,

I really like Gator's post and agree 100% with it.

My suggestion would be to buy the subframe for the 5m/595 and attach it to the Woods BH with a fabricated adapter that bolts to the subframe and mates with the 3ph mounts on the BH.
Then when you find a 595(or even a 49), just pretty up the Woods, sell it, get the right one and it'll bolt right on.:thumbsup:

Personally, I would never put a three point backhoe on my tractor, even if I had the OK in writing from Deere.

Regards,

Tom

Tom, I am concerned about this aspect and I plan to be careful and go easy with this 6000 lbs break out force capacity 3pt hoe on the loaner tractor. If there are any signs of stress/issues, I will most certainly think twice about putting it on my 5085M when it gets here.

I did look at a 49 at my dealers lot, and it looked like a toy compared to this Woods 1050. As far as getting a frame, the ones for the 49/595 is over $2000 new, which more than 50% of what I paid for the entire 1050.

Dealer did have an almost brand new 49 with a 54xx/50xx E frame for $4900, but alas, that would not fit an M, and it was less of a hoe than the Woods 1050. I almost went with a 5083E Limited because of this, but in the end decided that I really wanted the M for the "long haul".

I'll look into the 595 subframe and see if I can make some brackets to bolt the 1050 up to it, that might not be a bad interim solution if I can get a reasonable deal on the subframe, and find a 595 with no subframe.

I will be sure to post my pluses and minuses when I start digging up stumps this weekend. I still like to think that the horror storied about 3pt hoes are mostly from cat1 users, but I suppose that might be wishful thinking.

 

[Caledon Hills]

Tom, I am concerned about this aspect and I plan to be careful and go easy with this 6000 lbs break out force capacity 3pt hoe on the loaner tractor. If there are any signs of stress/issues, I will most certainly think twice about putting it on my 5085M when it gets here.

Good to know. I'd just hate to see anything bad happen to that beautiful new machine.(or you and the 6405 for that matter)

Hope I wasn't too "in your face" with that last post BTW.

Regards,

Tom

 

[Martian]

Actually, the MSL has more capacity, in some cases (lift capacity at full height), by a large margin:

Hmm... Looks like they've done good with the new MSL. When I got my 5410 you lost a lot of capacity with the MSL. I'd really go with the MSL then. You won't regret it:thumbsup:

 

[AKfish]

Good to know. I'd just hate to see anything bad happen to that beautiful new machine.(or you and the 6405 for that matter)

Hope I wasn't too "in your face" with that last post BTW.

Regards,

Tom

My thoughts exactly...

I believe that most of us on TBN can fully appreciate the desire (and need) to save money on the less important equipment options and when possible DIY modifications that can make it reasonable to accomplish the work we've planned.

However, - IMHO - the 3pt mounting configuration for a tractor mount backhoe is inherently weak. Cat I or Cat II.

The 4pt. backhoe mount on the JD110 is very stout. And the system is designed to utilize the entire frame and the integrated loader frame.

And I have twisted and popped and dropped the entire tractor using the backhoe! At times, the tractor has moved enough that the lower pins will click against the hoe mount. Thankfully, the forces are transferred through the whole of the tractor and not just at the the top link or one of the lower 3pt mounts.

Now, it is possible that you won't need or have to use the backhoe in situations or places that I've used the 110. Maybe everything will be just fine... Small trees, small stumps, flat ground, no rocks, etc. etc.

But... if you're using a backhoe that generates the kinds of forces on a par or greater than the 595 - you could have a real problem. Not the 1st time or maybe not the 20th time working the hoe.. but one day!

I think it cost $1,300 for a week to rent a Komatsu 138U trackhoe - 34,000lbs. A JD 50D costs $950 a week up here.

You can clear acres and acres of stumps for the $4K you've got in that 1050!

Just sayin..

AKfish

 

[pclausen]

I do tend to push my equipment to the edge, but not over it. Sometimes it can be tricky to know when you're there, but so far I have been able to make the right call.

I am looking into a subframe of some sort. In fact, I came across a member here that made a subframe for a 1050 for his Kubota L48. Seems to be working out well for him.

I got my bucket back today. They went ahead and cut off all 4 original shanks and welded on new heavy duty ones with HD matching teeth with pins. I think it turned out nice.

Also picked up a new stabilizer bar end link and lift arm pins, all at no charge since this is not my tractor. The end link alone was like $130, pretty insane although it looks very stout!

So I'm ready to do some (cautious) work this weekend to get a feel for how solid everything feels.

 

[Martian]

Bucket looks real good! I like them teeth.

I would be cautious working with it, but now is the best time ever to put it to its limits. Don't do something stupid, but it's better to find out now then when its on your nice, new, shiny 5085M:thumbsup:

 

[AKfish]

I do tend to push my equipment to the edge, but not over it. Sometimes it can be tricky to know when you're there, but so far I have been able to make the right call.

I am looking into a subframe of some sort. In fact, I came across a member here that made a subframe for a 1050 for his Kubota L48. Seems to be working out well for him.

I got my bucket back today. They went ahead and cut off all 4 original shanks and welded on new heavy duty ones with HD matching teeth with pins. I think it turned out nice.

Also picked up a new stabilizer bar end link and lift arm pins, all at no charge since this is not my tractor. The end link alone was like $130, pretty insane although it looks very stout!

So I'm ready to do some (cautious) work this weekend to get a feel for how solid everything feels.

Good work on the bucket! Glad to hear that you're on track to make the backhoe mount as structurally strong as possible.

Looking forward to your report with the 6405, too! :thumbsup:

AKfish

 

[pclausen]

I got in about 3 hours of seat time on the 6405 today. Started out with the chain saw cutting down saplings where the extension to my shop is going. I cut down everything you see within the red stick frame in this shot from a few weeks ago and then some (to make room for positioning the 6405 from above).

I then pulled the 6405 around and positioned myself to begin digging out what I estimate to be 30 cu yd of dirt for two additional 16x36 bays.

The Woods backhoe with the 18" bucket w/ new teeth is cutting through the dirt like butter with the tractor running at about 1200 rpm (can't tell for sure since the tach is dead). Everything felt very solid and the hoe was not able to even think about moving the 6405 around.

It was very cold and windy, so after digging up a few cu yd, I decided to call it a day, but before quitting, I figured I'd go ahead and use the 640 MSL loader (from the comfort of the cab!) to cut into the bank from below just for grins. Wow, was I impressed! With the backhoe on the back, and being in low gear with 4x4 engaged along with diff lock, I was able to just cut into the hill side/dirt like I could have only dreamed off with my 4700 w/ 460 loader! At least it seemed like that at first. After about 10 minutes, I had reached the limit of a 6405 with a 640 loader. Impressive to say the least, but not quite 50 ton track loader territory.

Assuming the weather is better tomorrow, I'm going to pull out the trailer and have at it from below with the loader and above with the hoe. Hopefully I'll have the 32x36 area for the shop extension completed.

More than anything, I really learned to appreciate how comfortable a heated cab is on a cold, windy winter day! I'll never go back to an open station, except maybe as a "summer" tractor.

 

[AKfish]

Glad to hear that the tractor is doing really well! It's a great feeling when your plans start coming together.

Nice picture, too. Beautiful country. Especially like the green grass and NO SNOW!!

AKfish

 

[pclausen]

Thanks AK. Yes, we love it here in the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mountains! We actually had a few inches of snow earlier in the week, but then we got a couple of days with temps in the 60s and it was gone in no time.

I got in about 7 hours of seat time on the 6405 loaner today. It's funny how quickly one adjust to the extra power and size. I'm now exploring the limits of this machine just as I did the 4700. I actually got the rear wheels off the ground once as I was dumping a extra large bucket of dirt facing downhill. That 96" bucket sure will hold some dirt!

Here are some pics from today. This first one is after I cut in the back side of where the shop wall is going. Look at all those stumps!

Different angle:

Working on getting the stumps out:

Here's a pretty big one. I miss my grapple although I'm not sure my 4700 could have lifted this one.

And so the shadows are getting long as another day comes to an end. Here's where I put all the dirt I dug up so far:

And the end result. I still got to cut a little more of the dirt wall and level the ground, but I'd say I got 90% of dirt I needed out of there. You can just make out the 6405 resting in the shop after a good day's workout.

Another angle:

I'm basically adding a pole barn extension. I'm not sure if I should build it right up against the dirt wall and use cinder blocks where there is direct contact?

The 3pt mounted Woods did very well. At no time did it feel anything but solidly coupled to the 6405. I went through 1/4 tank. I hope the fuel tank on this thing isn't huge, or its a guzzler!