First year hay making equipment

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To all the hay guys out there, have 10 acres I'm gonna cut next year, what would be some good first equipment that you could recommend, (tractor, mower,rake, baler) I will be fertilizing the 10 acres so I should get quite a bit off of it. Thanks for all replies
 
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To all the hay guys out there, have 10 acres I'm gonna cut next year, what would be some good first equipment that you could recommend, (tractor, mower,rake, baler) I will be fertilizing the 10 acres so I should get quite a bit off of it. Thanks for all replies

Unless you have an unlimited budget, you probably should be shopping the used market for at least some of it. Good used equipment is hard to come by, but it can be done. I grew up on a dairy farm and my Dad bought almost all of his equipment used.

Do you know any farmers nearby that might be able to help you with part of the haying, maybe in return for a share of the hay? If so, that might reduce your initial equipment needs. Otherwise, you may have to come up with the whole outfit in one season.
 
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Do you plan to expand or just stay at 10 acres? Its hard to justify 10 acres of hay but if your set on doing so look for a decent sickle mower, rake and tedder (if your in an area where moisture is an issue). New Holland had a tedder/rake combo unit that is a good option for small operations. The baler is the big issue, depending on your tractor (you need to get a baler suitable for your tractor) you want to find the best baler you can and if its old you definitely need to go through that machine from top to bottom, front to back, side to side and inspect everything and repair/replace any worn parts. The baler is the main part of the puzzle and its the one piece of equipment you don't want to mess around with when hay is ready to bale.

If your plan is to go bigger though then I would consider a discbine, rotary rake, tedder and a fairly new baler. You want all reliable equipment and not something you need to put a wrench to every time you hook up to it. If your always working on equipment you will find haying is no fun and not profitable. Get good equipment and you can have plenty of fun with it (well, within reason).

Last item is hay handling. You need to decide how your getting the hay out of the field and how your going to store it. If your using a hay loft then you need an elevator. If you have a large pole barn you can go with a NH stack wagon and it picks the bales off the ground, stacks them and dumps the entire stack in the barn for you. There are also accumulators that group the bales in small groups of 8-15 bales and you use a grab mounted to a loader to pick up the group and stack on a wagon/trailer to transport to the storage barn. This option is nice but requires a lot of extra equipment. THe other option I will mention is the one I use, its a kicker/thrower mounted to the baler. The wagons are pulled behind the baler and have sides and the bales get tossed out of the baler into the wagon. You don't have to worry about the bales and just bale till your wagons are all full. Then if you have a large pole barn you can park the wagons inside to keep the hay out of the rain while you stack or you can unload the wagons directly onto the elevator. Either way, your only touching the bales once.

The last option is to have a shoot that allows the bales to get pushed up onto a trailed wagon but that would require a man on the wagon stacking as you bale. I would still prefer this option over dropping them on the ground and having to pick them up off the ground to stack on trucks/trailers/wagons. Either way, you need multiple people but to be efficient you can get by with two with the shoot where as you would want at least three to pick up off the ground.
 
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What equipment to get is only part of the equation. Do you plan on selling the hay? Or, do you have your own livestock to feed it to? Another question is do you want round or square bales? As far as equipment goes, if you go square bales, you can probably do with a 40-60 hp tractor, a small mower (sickle bar or disc), rake, and baler. If you can find a good used mower conditioner at a decent price, go for it. You MIGHT be able to get by without raking it. If you go with round bales, I recommend a 60-75 Hp tractor at a minimum. You will also need a way to get the hay out of the field. Thus you will either need a wagon, or a truck and trailer of some sort. A hay spear is essential too. Definitely get a spear for your FEL. A 3-pt spear is convenient too. Hay storage is another consideration. If you plan to strictly market and sell your hay, you are going to need clean and dry storage. If it is to just feed your own animals, you quality of hay storage is up to you. These are all basic requirements however. As you begin to look around and other folks provide advice, you will find that there are a whole lot of other variables and considerations out there (twine, net wrap, side rake, wheel rake, sickle bar, disc, or drums mowers, square vs round, tarps vs barns, vs canopies, etc, etc). At the end of the day your budget and environment will the deciding factor.
Hawk

Hawk
 
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To all the hay guys out there, have 10 acres I'm gonna cut next year, what would be some good first equipment that you could recommend, (tractor, mower,rake, baler) I will be fertilizing the 10 acres so I should get quite a bit off of it. Thanks for all replies


Got a budget for equipment purchase? I know of a guy who has $75,000 worth of equipment (not including tractor) for 7-1/2 acres.... And for years, I did about 40 acres with about $2000 worth of equipment (again, not including tractor).

And, as was already asked, do you have any intentions of haying more ground in the future? (rented ground, baling on shares, ect....)

What sort of arrangements do you have for storage? (of baled hay) Do you have help, or will you be doing everything by yourself?

OK....First piece of equipment I'd buy is a simple soil test core tool. Have soil tested and apply fertilizer as needed, not just wholesale dumping fertilizer. Too much is as bad as not enough, maybe even worse in some regards.

What tractor depends somewhat on the rest of the equipment.....But in general, you'll want something 45/50hp (pto) at a minimum. You'll no doubt hear from guys who hay with 25hp....it CAN be done, but why...? I personally like 60-ish hp for baling and pulling wagons, if for no other reason, tractors that size have enough weight to be able to STOP a loaded wagon, where smaller ones are marginally safe/unsafe in certain conditions. Slightly "too big" is easy to overcome....Slightly too small puts you at an extreme disadvantage.

Mower; For 40+ years, I mowed with a simple sickle bar mower. I have a New Holland 451, and would highly recommend that model if you go the sickle bar route. GREAT mowers, easy to work on, easy to find parts..... A mower conditioner is a reasonably economic route with all the good USED ones on the market. I bought a NICE NH489 last year. I've very pleased with it after a full year under my belt. My son has a 2 year old NH disc mower. If the ability to get the job done in a HURRY is key, disc mowers are tough to beat. That comes at a price, and I don't see the cost on just 10 acres, but that's me....

Rake; I persoanlly like Roll-A-Bar rakes. Some people like 'em, some don't. I've tried rotary rakes, wheel rakes, ect, and still like my NH 258.

Get a tedder.....Brand isn't so important as just having one. With just 10 acres, almost any brand/model will do the job. I personally like Kuhn.

Baler....Where do we start.... You'll find all sorts of brands and models.....Personally, I'd stick with EITHER Deere or New Holland. Parts will be there, and more people know how to work on those two brands, so help won't be as hard to come by. They also made the best balers of the ages....I have a 336 Deere that's baled thousands upon thousands of bales and is still in excellent shape. Wouldn't trade it for a new baler.... Last year, I bought a NEW Vermeer 5410 Rebel round baler. LOVE IT! Don't overlook the possibility of round bales. They're HUGE labor savers. Valuable if you're doing this alone.....

Wagons.... ALL my hay is sold. I try to sell it in the field. Buyers pick it up themselves. I have one buyer who takes his hay in trade for helping me load the balance of my small squares. That gets loaded on wagons and sold off the wagon. No stacking it in the barn....too much work if it can be avoided. What that means is I have to have quite a few wagons.....and shed space....

Sprayer.....Keeping weeds out of hay crops is almost an art form. Unless you're willing to get certification to handle and use restricted use chemicals, I'd look at possibly hiring the spraying done. If you feel like going the extra mile and doing that yourself, look at getting a small 3-point boom sprayer.....
 
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Lots of good advice above!

I can only add that the quality of the hay depends on several things (the crop itself, the weather, the timeliness and speed of harvest). That baler HAS to work, when three days of rain begins at sundown.

You won't get rich on hay, but busting open a bale of first-cut alfalfa in January, and inhaling that summertime aroma as you toss flakes into the feed troughs- Priceless. . .:licking:
 
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To all the hay guys out there, have 10 acres I'm gonna cut next year, what would be some good first equipment that you could recommend, (tractor, mower,rake, baler) I will be fertilizing the 10 acres so I should get quite a bit off of it. Thanks for all replies

I have 10 acres also. I use a 2008 Mahindra 5525 tractor (54 hp engine, 45 hp pto, 2WD, gear tranny 8F/2R, power steering) with the ML250 FEL (6-ft wide bucket, 2950 lb lift to 10.5 ft height). Mower is a Massey Ferguson 31 sicklebar (7ft cutter bar, $550 at auction, rebuilt several times, about $250 in new parts). Rake is a John Deere 350 side delivery rake (10 ft wide, 5 bars, $800). Baler is a Massey Ferguson 124 (two twine, small square bales, $2000).
 
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Farm with Junk has great advice. We did 25 acres this year. Started with 5 acres several years ago and picked up a few acres here and there. Fields are easy to find if you have the equipment. We turned down another 5 acres this year because we can't keep up. We don't pay anything for the fields we do but we do bushhog any areas we can't get to with the haying equipment and spread manure or fertalizer so we are improving the fields we use.

Tractors: I would not be happy without at least 2 tractors, I have 3 and would like 5 if money wasn't an issue. Mine are all 30 hp range, great for somethings, not so much for others. I would look for a good 60 horse tractor to mow(depending on mower) and bale. The other tractor I would get is a 30 hp Farm type tractor (not a compact). I never could figure out why more farms don't have a nice little 30 hp tractor for raking and tedding.

Mower: We still mow with a sickle mower, haybine is in the plans, just not here yet, But I believe disk is where its at. Good thing is 9' discbines are starting to make there way into the small scale market but you need the 60 hp to pull it. Thats my big hurdle so don't sell yourself short on the Tractor.

Tedder: We never had one till this year, now I don't know how we ever made hay without one. We got a 4 basket 14' simple enough but important if you have any type of humidity or chance of rain while haying.

Rake: I agree we love the roll bar rake, most will recomend the rotary rake and I have never used one so I can't say. I would love a tandem rake hitch and that saves a lot of time and can still be handled by a small tractor but on your scale probably not worth the investment.

Baler: We have a small New Holland square baler and I agree, stick with Deere or New Holland and you will have good support for parts and mechanics. That is the other reason I would like a larger tractor. I would do rounds in a heartbeat if I had enough tractor and I will someday. I can't see any dis-advantage to rounds unless you are selling to horse people, which I am not.

Wagons: We do not use wagons, we drop in field and either sell direct or haul with ton truck and equipment trailer. We feed out most of the hay we make so its gotta go to the barn sooner or later anyway. I try to make 200 bales a day, which is what I haul on my truck and trailer. Thats a good work load on top of my 40hr job. I seldom have someone to stack on a wagon and do not have a kicker. I do have a couple of wagons and occasionally use them but they are deffinately not critical to our operation.

My biggest piece of advice is look ahead to where you want to be, I have made several decisions that later cost me. The biggest of which is the tractors. If you can afford at least 1 - 60hp plus tractor that would be a good place to start. Second piece of advice is have fun, at 10 acres there is no money in it so you better have fun doing it. Definately very rewarding opening a bale of hay and knowing I made it myself.
 
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Wow Thanks for all the replys, no I don't think I would ever add acreage 10 acres is just what are building on, thanks again for all info
 
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Wagons: We do not use wagons, we drop in field and either sell direct or haul with ton truck and equipment trailer. We feed out most of the hay we make so its gotta go to the barn sooner or later anyway. I try to make 200 bales a day, which is what I haul on my truck and trailer. Thats a good work load on top of my 40hr job. I seldom have someone to stack on a wagon and do not have a kicker. I do have a couple of wagons and occasionally use them but they are deffinately not critical to our operation
I must say, that I agree with Robert_in_NY's system rather than yours. We bale my inlaw's 20 acres and currently run 2 wagons. I would like to add a 3rd wagon as 2 wagons is not quite enough for a full field.
We often have problems getting enough people to help bale (I work full time and often have to take time off to cut or bale), so being able to bale into the wagon by myself is a good thing.
I helped the neighbor bale this summer. They use flat wagons and hand stack. I would NEVER do that again. We had to have 2 people on the wagon and they had problems keeping up with the baler at times (vs one person in a wagon with a "rack" or a "basket" on it).

Aaron Z
 
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I must say, that I agree with Robert_in_NY's system rather than yours. We bale my inlaw's 20 acres and currently run 2 wagons. I would like to add a 3rd wagon as 2 wagons is not quite enough for a full field.
We often have problems getting enough people to help bale (I work full time and often have to take time off to cut or bale), so being able to bale into the wagon by myself is a good thing.
I helped the neighbor bale this summer. They use flat wagons and hand stack. I would NEVER do that again. We had to have 2 people on the wagon and they had problems keeping up with the baler at times (vs one person in a wagon with a "rack" or a "basket" on it).

Aaron Z

If my father bales (seldom) I stack the wagon, I have never rode behind a baler I couldn't stack against, thats just me, its not easy but can be done. I have used a kicker and wagons but found, I can bale tighter bales onto the ground, have less broken bales on the ground and can haul more bales per load stacked. I actually like the kicker and wagons when we have enough crew to unload as fast as I can bale (only happens while I am dreaming, used to happen when I was a kid and we had about 8 of us teenage boys within hollaring distance). I have considered some type of accumulator / stack wagon but as of now they are way out of the price range of the typical operation my size and there are not many on the used market in our area. I have considered building an accumulator for my skid steer to stack on my flatbeds but so far no time. I can stack 200 bales on my ton truck and trailer with my daughter driving in under an hour but again I am working my a** off to get it done. I was simply giving the OP an idea of our system and our wants, I realize there are several short comings in our operation however the wagons deal is pretty low on my wants list as far as money is concerned. About the only good things around here are the fact that all the equipment we run is free and clear. When we started the farm I vowed to not bring home a piece I couldn't pay for when I picked it up, so far so good.
 
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If my father bales (seldom) I stack the wagon, I have never rode behind a baler I couldn't stack against, thats just me, its not easy but can be done. I have used a kicker and wagons but found, I can bale tighter bales onto the ground, have less broken bales on the ground and can haul more bales per load stacked. I actually like the kicker and wagons when we have enough crew to unload as fast as I can bale (only happens while I am dreaming, used to happen when I was a kid and we had about 8 of us teenage boys within hollaring distance). I have considered some type of accumulator / stack wagon but as of now they are way out of the price range of the typical operation my size and there are not many on the used market in our area. I have considered building an accumulator for my skid steer to stack on my flatbeds but so far no time. I can stack 200 bales on my ton truck and trailer with my daughter driving in under an hour but again I am working my a** off to get it done. I was simply giving the OP an idea of our system and our wants, I realize there are several short comings in our operation however the wagons deal is pretty low on my wants list as far as money is concerned. About the only good things around here are the fact that all the equipment we run is free and clear. When we started the farm I vowed to not bring home a piece I couldn't pay for when I picked it up, so far so good.

I keep contemplating an accumulator setup as well but then I look at the fact that I am still running a one man operation and I realize that after I get done baling all day with an accumulator I now have to go into the field with more equipment picking those stacks all up and placing them on wagons/trailers, haul them to the barn and unstack them all before the rain comes in. Yeah, you don't handle the bales manually but I can't convince myself where it would help my operation. I can see it taking me longer and that isn't a good option for me. The same goes for the stackwagon, its a great system but to really take advantage of it you need a second operator.

For me, the best I can do is add more kicker wagons. Currently I have 4 wagons and can bale around 550 bales at a time before I have to unload. I would love to add a couple more wagons and get my total up to 800 bales and I have been keeping an eye out for decent used kicker wagons. I can bale up to 55 pound bales with sisal twine without having issues of breaking the bales (any heavier and the twine fails) but 95% of my customers prefer my bales in the 35 pound range so I have to keep them lighter so they can handle them easily. It works out nicely as the lighter bales are easier for them as well as being easier on the equipment. I still bale heavier bales if I plan to haul them any distance on a trailer because the heavier bales stack better for transport.

I am fortunate enough to be able to store my wagons inside if the rain is coming in, I don't own a building tall enough to get them inside but I have friends that do and keys to those buildings so if its going to rain they get parked inside and I don't have to worry about them till the rain goes away. I do occasionally bale to the ground but its very seldom that I do and I don't care for it much. Its good excercise but every time you handle the bale it costs you money. I would much rather be spending the extra time with my own daughter playing or relaxing at the ice cream shop:licking: after a long day baling but thats why there are so many different options out there for handling hay, because there isn't one system perfect for each operation and as the owners of our operations we get to choose which one works best for our labor/storage/equipment situations :)
 
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If my father bales (seldom) I stack the wagon, I have never rode behind a baler I couldn't stack against, thats just me, its not easy but can be done. I have used a kicker and wagons but found, I can bale tighter bales onto the ground, have less broken bales on the ground and can haul more bales per load stacked.
I agree with you about getting more bales when stacking. We get 90-100 when just using the kicker and 120-150 when stacking in the wagon (still using the kicker, but stacking)
I was simply giving the OP an idea of our system and our wants, I realize there are several short comings in our operation however the wagons deal is pretty low on my wants list as far as money is concerned.
Makes sense. If that works for you, I am glad.
About the only good things around here are the fact that all the equipment we run is free and clear. When we started the farm I vowed to not bring home a piece I couldn't pay for when I picked it up, so far so good.
Equipment that is paid for (and working) is the best kind to have.

Aaron Z
 
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To all the hay guys out there, have 10 acres I'm gonna cut next year, what would be some good first equipment that you could recommend, (tractor, mower,rake, baler) I will be fertilizing the 10 acres so I should get quite a bit off of it. Thanks for all replies
You need to decide on a tractor first and then match the implements to your tractor. Take a look at the HayMAG drum mowers, rakes & tedders. They are designed for the smaller operator with a limited budget.
Hay DR
 
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To all the hay guys out there, have 10 acres I'm gonna cut next year, what would be some good first equipment that you could recommend, (tractor, mower,rake, baler) I will be fertilizing the 10 acres so I should get quite a bit off of it. Thanks for all replies

YOu also need to think about planting the following year.

-- Overseed with a broadcast spreader and plant some kind of pasture mix that's suitable for your area. The germination yield will be in the 50-60% range if you just let the seed sit on the soil--higher if disc first, bust up the clods with a cultipacker, spread the seed, and then press in the seed with another cultipacker pass.

-- Plant in rows with a grain drill--I use a restored Minneapolis Moline P3-6 unit to plant Kanota oats. Bought 2 of these units from a neighbor for $275; used parts from both to make one good drill plus about $250 in new parts.

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-- Plant a cover crop with a drop seeder like a Brillion unit--these are pricy, even used, but are the Cadillac of drop seeders.

Brillion Farm - Agricultural Seeders

-- Plant legumes (beans, peas, etc) to restore nitrogen to the soil using a bean planter--used 2 row planters are around $1-1.5K. One of the most popular models is the Deere 71 Flexi-planter

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Good luck
 
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Are you wishing to do square or round bales?

What size of bales?

To feed your livestock or for sale?

What type of livestock?

Will you have help or do you need to be a one man operation?

What's your budget?

Any neighbors also doing hay? Consider getting them to do yours and you simply help them.
 

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