JD 5083e Tuning

[AGGIE00]

When I bought this tractor I couldn't justify the price increase for the 93 and 101 to have identical tractors with the same engine. I had the idea that I could just turn up the pump and have the same power you get from the 101. Besides warranty issues where am I going wrong on this. Tires will be replaced from normal wear one day anyway and then I can put some larger rubber on it to match the 101.

 

[MaJYk]

Just a first hand example. The family farm has a 9520 and a 9220 used for tillage. They are electronically controlled and can be "turned up" using resistors. the cooling system on the 9220 would not keep up with the added HP. And because of the cost/benefit of production vs fuel consumption, it's only put in the 9520 during ripping/chiseling in the fall.
So make sure it's both worth the higher fuel cost, and will maintain a low enough temp that you don't have to "baby sit" the temp gauge.

 

[Sharp Ranches]

I don't see a problem if you need the extra HP. The only design difference I'm aware of is the larger tire size on the 101E and increased fuel pump delivery. Fuel economy will decrease as to be expected. How do you propose to increase and control the fuel pump rate?

 

[AGGIE00]

I don't see a problem if you need the extra HP. The only design difference I'm aware of is the larger tire size on the 101E and increased fuel pump delivery. Fuel economy will decrease as to be expected. How do you propose to increase and control the fuel pump rate?

I haven't found any differences in cooling, turbo size, or intake ductwork. I don't care if it goes from 2.5 gph to 3 to get the extra power. As far as your last question, I don't know because it is a mechanical stanadyne pump. We have chips on common rail construction equipment and trucks, but I don't know how to change the mechanical pump output. So, can these pumps be turned up and if so how?

 

[AGGIE00]

Just a first hand example. The family farm has a 9520 and a 9220 used for tillage. They are electronically controlled and can be "turned up" using resistors. the cooling system on the 9220 would not keep up with the added HP. And because of the cost/benefit of production vs fuel consumption, it's only put in the 9520 during ripping/chiseling in the fall.
So make sure it's both worth the higher fuel cost, and will maintain a low enough temp that you don't have to "baby sit" the temp gauge.

This tractor is a toy, just an expensive one. Fuel consumption is irrelevant for the jobs that it does. My concern is that I don't break my toy. The working tractors are 9520s.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

I believe JD gives the 101 a bit more boost than the 83. This would need to coincide turning the pump up too. Not sure with today's electronics where to tell you to start.

 

[AGGIE00]

I believe JD gives the 101 a bit more boost than the 83. This would need to coincide turning the pump up too. Not sure with today's electronics where to tell you to start.

This is the information I am trying to find out. The beauty of this tractor is its simplicity. Not much electronics.

 

[Sharp Ranches]

I don't see 5083E listed but take a look at Ag Power Solutions info: AG Power Solutions - Tuning for agricultural vehicles | tractor, harvester, bulldog, agricultural machinery .

 

[jenkinsph]

This is the information I am trying to find out. The beauty of this tractor is its simplicity. Not much electronics.

How far are you from Lubbock?

There is a diesel injector pump shop there that should be able to make the needed changes to your Stanadyne pump and injectors as needed.

 

[AGGIE00]

How far are you from Lubbock?

There is a diesel injector pump shop there that should be able to make the needed changes to your Stanadyne pump and injectors as needed.

A very long way, 8 hours. The contact listed above for performance modules has one listed for this pump. I don't know how a mechanical pump can be modified electronically, but we are about to learn something.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

Here's links to the Nebraska tests.

Boost on 5083E measured at 10.7 psi

http://tractortestlab.unl.edu/Deere/5083E.pdf

Boost on 5101E measured at 14.1 psi

http://tractortestlab.unl.edu/Deere/5101E.pdf

FWIW, we have the same engine naturally aspirated in our 5420. It is rated at 82hp at the engine and 65 PTO Hp. Not sure why the turbo 5083E is only about 5hp more at the pto.

 

[stravis]

I can't answer any of your questions as to how, but I can offer a little help. I have a 5101 in my shop outside. If you have any specific questions about parts or sizes, etc. that I can run out and check for you, let me know. I'd be glad to do so.

(Gigem, by the way. I lived in College Station for several years as a kid. I'm an Auburn alum, but I'm still an aggie fan as well)

 

[AGGIE00]

Here's links to the Nebraska tests.

Boost on 5083E measured at 10.7 psi

http://tractortestlab.unl.edu/Deere/5083E.pdf

Boost on 5101E measured at 14.1 psi

http://tractortestlab.unl.edu/Deere/5101E.pdf

FWIW, we have the same engine naturally aspirated in our 5420. It is rated at 82hp at the engine and 65 PTO Hp. Not sure why the turbo 5083E is only about 5hp more at the pto.

No doubt the 101 would have more boost as a result of more fuel, not necessarily larger turbo. For example, my cummins 6.7L with create 10psi+ more boost with a chip tah without and the same turbo. I think (think), it is simply more fuel.

 

[Sharp Ranches]

AGGIE00:

Do you know which Stanadyne injection pump model is used in the 5083E versus the 5101E? If they're the same, the solution might point towards electronic power module tuning for increased fuel psi and turbo boost control.

 

[Sharp Ranches]

AGGIE00:

Do you know which Stanadyne injection pump model is used in the 5083E versus the 5101E? If they're the same, the solution might point towards electronic power module tuning for increased fuel psi and turbo boost control.

Per my question above concerning the Stanadyne injection pump model used, I've found the following performance chip product offering for the 5083E: 5083 E John Deere Tractor 5083 E Power Chip Diesel Performance Chips however, it notes "This Product will not work with Stanadyne Type Fuel Systems. This Product Works with Denso Common Rail."

 

[AGGIE00]

Per my question above concerning the Stanadyne injection pump model used, I've found the following performance chip product offering for the 5083E: 5083 E John Deere Tractor 5083 E Power Chip Diesel Performance Chips however, it notes "This Product will not work with Stanadyne Type Fuel Systems. This Product Works with Denso Common Rail."

I found that before. Theres no shortage of performance products for the common rail. A member of this site refered me to a company out of California that has a module for the stanadyne pump. I'm waiting on them to get back with me on what it does and cost.

 

[Sharp Ranches]

I found that before. Theres no shortage of performance products for the common rail. A member of this site refered me to a company out of California that has a module for the stanadyne pump. I'm waiting on them to get back with me on what it does and cost.

Yes, that was also me that made the referal on the California company to whom I have also requested info. My question was: Are we certain the 5083E uses a Stanadyne pump or is it using the Denso common rail?

 

[AGGIE00]

Yes, that was also me that made the referal on the California company to whom I have also requested info. My question was: Are we certain the 5083E uses a Stanadyne pump or is it using the Denso common rail?

I own the tractor and it is the stanadyne.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

Good thing I like aggies too, cuz I work in College Station everyday.

AGGIE, you need to find out why there is more boost. With more fuel, you'll need more air. It is maybe an electronic controlled waste gate?

You need to go to deereparts.com and do some research. There shows to be 2 different 5083E's and also 2 5101E's. Each shows 2 different engines on the dropdown lists. Maybe you already know which one you have. There seems to be a common turbocharger number for one engine type. Maybe you just need to get your hands on a Electronic Control Module for the 5101E. They list the same ECU P/N for both tractors but has a side note to accompany the order with the tractor's serial number???

There is also a performance monitor listed under the electronics dropdown list. Guessing that it looks like it could be a mechanic's tool for programming the ECU maybe???

You need to maybe ask the mechanic why the 5101 has more boost.
Keep us updated on anything you find out.

 

[AKfish]

No doubt the 101 would have more boost as a result of more fuel, not necessarily larger turbo. For example, my cummins 6.7L with create 10psi+ more boost with a chip tah without and the same turbo. I think (think), it is simply more fuel.

Turbo boost is a function of impeller rpm's, vane pitch, and diameter - not fuel. Some turbo's have a fixed vane pitch and other's have a variable pitch (and some have 2 impeller's - Ford, etc).

Variable pitch impeller turbo's are electronically (computer) controlled and therefore can be adjusted with a "chip".

I don't know what turbo the JD 5083E has or if the turbo is the same on all the series. If they are the same turbo - then adjusting the pump and injector's (may have to swap out these for the 93 or 101's) should get you where you want to go..

AKfish