Tires Diff between R1 and R4 tires?

[Modn]

Alright, no one here has said it yet so I'll chime in:

R4's look better.

No they don't, No they don't!!!!! I admit I like the looks of my R4's, but the 16.9 R-1's look pretty sexy to me too.........:drool: Of course you get the full affect once you wax the tractor and armorall the tires!! LOL

 

[TripleR]

Alright, no one here has said it yet so I'll chime in:

R4's look better.

Sorry, but I just have to disagree; love the looks of these.

 

[lilranch2001]

Sorry, but I just have to disagree; love the looks of these.

Maybe on larger tractors R-1's look good, but on CUTs they look wimpy, R-4s look much better

 

[Modn]

Sorry, but I just have to disagree; love the looks of these.

YUP!!! That is just what I'm talking about!!!

 

[wolc123]

The R4 is the most popular tire for CUT's because most of the users have not the money or space for multiple tractors. If they did, they would almost always be better off with seperate tractors for the lawn with turfs and for off the lawn, with R1's. I can think of about zero cases where an R4 tire is better than an R1 off the lawn. the same thing is true on the lawn where I cant think of any case where an R4 would be better than turfs. An R4 is an industrial tire made for construction sites and operating on fairly hard surfaces. Thier use on CUT's is just a coincedence driven by financial and/or space limitations. For 90% of CUT users, especially those with one tractor, the R4 tire makes the most sence, which is why 90% of them are so-equipped. When a user gets too far off the lawn, he is destined for trouble like that poor fellow with the bush-hog in the picture. No matter what your tire, you got to know your limitations. When it comes to mud or snow, the bar is much lower for the R4 than the R1, in more ways than one. Pictures are worth more than words on sites like this and I guarantee we will not see a picture posted of a 4wd tractor with R1's stuck in mud that is not even up to the rim in depth.

 

[TripleR]

Maybe on larger tractors R-1's look good, but on CUTs they look wimpy, R-4s look much better

I realize it was put forth in the spirit of levity and I responded in kind. But to be serious if only for a moment, I like the looks of both. One of the problems, if you would call it that is that many people get really skinny Ags. I am certainly no expert on tires, but I like a wide tire. I realize for some applications a narrow tire is essential.

 

[Don87]

I wish I could afford all three types of tires, Ags for my garden area, R4's for the woods, and the turfs for my grass and the snow.

But I had to choose what works best for my situation.

 

[dcyrilc]

Sorry, but I just have to disagree; love the looks of these.

I have to agree, but this looks twice as good.:laughing:

 

[TripleR]

I have to agree, but this looks twice as good.:laughing:

You got me there; sure does. Don't own this tractor, but sure wish I did, it is in our barn right now.

 

[dcyrilc]

You got me there; sure does. Don't own this tractor, but sure wish I did, it is in our barn right now.

Ooooh(sp?). Drool, drool, drool.:laughing:

Since this is a tire thread, maybe you can answer a question for me. I notice that the tread is different between the main tires and the duels. Is this just a manufacturer thing or is there a purpose for the different spacing of the lugs/bars?

BTW, my duels are currenly just sitting there. I still need to get the proper bolts for mounting them.

 

[TripleR]

Ooooh(sp?). Drool, drool, drool.:laughing:

Since this is a tire thread, maybe you can answer a question for me. I notice that the tread is different between the main tires and the duels. Is this just a manufacturer thing or is there a purpose for the different spacing of the lugs/bars?

BTW, my duels are currenly just sitting there. I still need to get the proper bolts for mounting them.

It is going to take someone smarter than me to answer that. I have noticed in buying tires that designs come and go and what may be available in one place may not be in another. When we last bought a full set for our Case CX80, no one had the tread pattern in the size we need front and back, so we bought two different brands. For some reason there was a shortage of Ag tires all over.

Some people don't realize the variety in designs on Ag tires and even tires that look alike may be named something different; confused the heck out of me.

 

[The Haymaker]

Looks like the tail wheel of the cutter is about a foot off the ground. Even with R4s I can go down a muddy hill with out getting stuck.

I can go down a muddy hill with my R4's too.... It's the coming back up that poses a problem.

Seriously though, I went with R4's based on years of using my Dad's 955 with turfs. I wanted something that would mow without destroying the lawn (primary use) yet be able to work in the clay/mud/sand and everything else the Foster Compound has to throw at me. Happy with my decision? Yes, very. Not all of us can afford to buy a set of tires or a separate tractor for each task at hand.

My last stuck, turfs wouldn't have even gotten me to where I got hung up, but I believe AGs would've been just as stuck. No tire will work when the entire tractor is sitting below ground level.

The video was last fall recovering a 120+ year old oak that the winds took down. The picture was last weekend.

Twitching.

 

[Don87]

Cool video.
I have no places like that where I'm at, I'm near the top of a hill. Ground drys very quickly here. My only problem area is the bottom 30 feet of my paved driveway, steep, and slippery(with packed snow or ice).

 

[The Haymaker]

Cool video.
I have no places like that where I'm at, I'm near the top of a hill. Ground drys very quickly here. My only problem area is the bottom 30 feet of my paved driveway, steep, and slippery(with packed snow or ice).

Property here is odd, on a vein between two completely opposite materials. On 1 half it is blue clay, saturated even though it is all sloped. The other half is dead sand, like mortar sand, without so much than a pebble. It's as if it were all screened with mosquito netting. The particles are completely uniform, all silica with no stones. We own 15 acres and have maybe another 15 to 20 on two sides that are landlocked by I95 and I know of only FOUR rocks on all of it and they are less than 10".

 

[TripleR]

Ooooh(sp?). Drool, drool, drool.:laughing:

Since this is a tire thread, maybe you can answer a question for me. I notice that the tread is different between the main tires and the duels. Is this just a manufacturer thing or is there a purpose for the different spacing of the lugs/bars?

BTW, my duels are currently just sitting there. I still need to get the proper bolts for mounting them.

I just checked another tractor with duals and they are all the same.

 

[Modn]

I can go down a muddy hill with my R4's too.... It's the coming back up that poses a problem.

Seriously though, I went with R4's based on years of using my Dad's 955 with turfs. I wanted something that would mow without destroying the lawn (primary use) yet be able to work in the clay/mud/sand and everything else the Foster Compound has to throw at me. Happy with my decision? Yes, very. Not all of us can afford to buy a set of tires or a separate tractor for each task at hand.

My last stuck, turfs wouldn't have even gotten me to where I got hung up, but I believe AGs would've been just as stuck. No tire will work when the entire tractor is sitting below ground level.

The video was last fall recovering a 120+ year old oak that the winds took down. The picture was last weekend.

Twitching.

I know that picture well!! Last time I was stuck like that was in my wet clay area that I should have known better, but tried anyway. Ended up high and dry, or wet should I say Had to drag it out with the excavator....should have been using that anyway, but I also knew it was available (part of the problem I guess). R-1's wouldn't have helped me as when you cut through you're all done. Live and learn I guess.

Cool video :thumbsup: Looks like my woods.

 

[Modn]

I just checked another tractor with duals and they are all the same.

Hmmm, I was figuring it was just a matched set on the tractor and a matched set on the duels. Maybe there is a reason for that, which obviously I have no clue why??

 

[Modn]

Although not the same vehicle, I have learned that my 4wd 4 wheeler goes through snow (16"+ fresh snow) better with my original tires (regular all terrain) much better than my mud tires (chevron style tread). The mud tires will dig and make the wheeler hop as the regular tires will act normal and can get a lot more speed and not get stuck. I have tried the method of putting the mud tires on backwards and the original tires still outperform the mud tires.

 

[orezok]

It all comes down to use, weather and soil conditions. I have R4's on my tractor because they are the best for my conditions.

Out here in the Mojave, we don't have a clue what "turf" or "mud" is. Can someone explain what those things are. With as little as 1" of rain in a year, all we have is soft loose sand.

Turfs would be useless because every plant out here has a thorn of some kind. R1's are useless because they are too skinny and just become trenching machines in the sand.

R4's are best because they are tuff and wide enough to float on the surface.

Use what works best for you and stop telling other people that they are using the wrong tire. You just might be wrong!

 

[Gary Fowler]

I guess it is a good thing I like R1 tires because that is all that is offered on my LS 70 series tractor. Since it is considered a heavy utility agriculture tractor, I guess that is the reason. I went to their web and looked up other modelsl. The 50 series utility series have R1 or R4 options then when you get to the compact 40 /30 series you have all three options and the subcompact 20 series you can not get R1 tires only R4 and turf. So the manufacturer kind of limits what they consider the tractors usefulness by only providing certain kinds of tires. I suppose no one would by a subcompact with the intention of doing mostly draft pulling work but may do some so you can get R4 tires that compromise between turfs for mowing and R1 for pulling in dirt which works out well for most owners. My only experience with turfs on anything other than a lawnmower is with my B-I-L's JD 750 - 2 WD and it will stall out on dry grass in a sharp turn and have to hit the dif lock to get it to go again.