thistle: mow or spray

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skywaterbanjo

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I was planning on buying a 5' rotary mower to take care of thistle in my vacant lot of about 3 acres. My tractor sales guy says I should think about a sprayer instead. Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this but I'm looking for some input.

Thanks
 
/ thistle: mow or spray #2  
I was planning on buying a 5' rotary mower to take care of thistle in my vacant lot of about 3 acres. My tractor sales guy says I should think about a sprayer instead. Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this but I'm looking for some input.

Thanks

What type of thistle is this? I need to know the botanical name, not a common name. If it is Canada Thistle you may cut at the recommended time, - but never under any circumstances rototill, disc, or plow, Canada Thistle.
 
/ thistle: mow or spray #3  
I don't have much of an answer for you, but I am interested in hearing the collective wisdom...

I have an old farm that has been neglected for many years, and I am now starting to get it back into shape. I also have a 5' bush hog and have started to mow my thistles. I'm hoping to choke them out with grasses. It seems to me I have heard that out competing them is the only way.

Bull thistle is a biennial, so I'm hoping that if I mow it seriously for a few years that will die out. Unfortunately, the Canada thistle is perennial (isn't it?) and much harder to kill off. I have both types...

Could I also tag on Goldenrod to this thread? I have lots of that and am hoping that mowing a few times each summer will knock that back. Is there a better way?

Thanks,
 
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What type of thistle is this? I need to know the botanical name, not a common name. If it is Canada Thistle you may cut at the recommended time, - but never under any circumstances rototill, disc, or plow, Canada Thistle.

Canadian thistle is the worst one to mow.

Just spray them and get it over with.
 
/ thistle: mow or spray #5  
Here ya go ---

Canada thistle is an aggressive perennial weed that reproduces from vegetative buds in the root system and from seed. Root systems can extend 15 feet deep or more. New plants can develop from root pieces as small as .025 inch long by .0125 inch in diameter. Individual plants can produce up to 1500 seeds per flowering shoot. Seeds can remain viable in the soil up to 20 years. These facts dictate that management efforts must be directed towards long-term planning.

The key for effective long-term control is to implement a management plan that consistently prevents the formation and dispersal of seed and to stress the plant and force it to use stored root nutrients.

Therefore, a one-time treatment for Canada thistle will not be effective. Management and control effects must be planned for several consecutive growing seasons in order to prevent new seed formation/dispersal and at the same time deplete the nutrient reserves that have built up in the root system.

Control measures that have been found to be effective for the management of Canada thistle on small acreage properties are:
Mowing: The most effective mowing technique is to mow the infestation at 25 to 30 days intervals, 4 to 5 times per season, throughout the entire growing season over several (4-5) years. The purpose of the intensive mowing is to stimulate Canada thistle shoot growth thereby depleting the plants root reserve. Mowing alone will not eradicate an infestation but can reduce infestation density by 50%.

Due to Canada thistles extensive root reserves a one-time mowing of the plants during the growing season is not an effective control technique. Similarly, a one-time hand pulling of Canada thistle during the growing season is also not an effective control technique. A one-time mowing or hand pulling will stimulate plant growth and increase infestation size and density.

Herbicide treatment: There are several herbicides available locally that are very effective for controlling Canada thistle within pasture and rangeland grasses. Curtail, Redeem, Milestone, Forefront and WeedMaster are selective, general use herbicides, available over-the-counter, with a short soil residual that controls many broadleaf plants including Canada thistle. Applied at labeled rates they will not damage grasses. Do not apply to trees, shrubs, flowers, or garden areas. The herbicides are concentrates that are mixed with water and then sprayed onto the target plant. Herbicide uptake is through the plant foliage. Read and follow all label directions. Wear the proper protective gear (rubber gloves, long pants, long sleeve shirt, rubber boots, and eye wear) when spraying.

Timing of application is dependent upon the stage of plant growth. The best time to treat Canada thistle is after the plant is fully emerged (meaning lots of foliage available for herbicide uptake) is actively growing, and prior to bud stage.

Best of luck. (It's a nasty, tough bugger.)

AKfish
 
/ thistle: mow or spray #6  
what about hawthorn?how do I get rid of them? real hard on tires.I have lots.The bears love them
 
/ thistle: mow or spray #7  
I use Crossbow as I have them in my CRP land which I cannot mow; they are a bear to control.
 
/ thistle: mow or spray #8  
I just have a small spread (6 acres in pasture or lawn), but I have been fighting thistles for 4 years, and I am starting to get the upper hand. Every spring I fill up my sprayer, and wander my land spraying every thistle I can find. I repeat this 4-5 times during the summer.

My land is far from Thistle free, but they are on the retreat, and I have no more of them going to seed.

I do not anticipate I will ever be free of them as seeds blow in from other places, but I am glad to feel I have the upper hand
 
/ thistle: mow or spray #9  
For Canada Thistle I had pretty good luck with spraying Redeem at regular intervals last year. I managed to keep it down to where it never flowered. Interested to see how it comes back this year.
 
/ thistle: mow or spray #10  
Combination mowing and spraying works best. If you spray only you have to depend on perfect timing. Fall is best as that is when the plant is taking in nutrients to get through the winter and will draw the weed killer you use right down to the deepest roots. If you mow only (been there, done that) the thistles get smart and start budding out close to the ground. It is a never ending battle but as some have said, you do start to win after about 4 years.
 
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This is awesome information. Thanks.

I will most likely mow 4-5 times for several years and see if I can 'stem' their growth. It is a vacant lot so I don't care that nothing grows on it.
 
/ thistle: mow or spray #12  
I've been fighting my infestation of canada thistle for the past 30 years. Did you know, the average infestation has a root system 10 miles long? As was pointed out in an earlier post, the root system is quite deep, and runs vertically, and horizontally in several directions.

I have mistakenly rototilled, (bad idea), mowed, pulled, and sprayed. Decapitation, below the surface, and spraying in the fall when the plant is pulling energy into the roots works well. I haven't used any herbiced other than glyphosate, and on occasion, Crossbow mixed with glyphosate.

There is mechanical means of control. Having a good idea of the root depth of my infestation, I started at the perimeter, and using my loader mounted forks, I used them as spears. I make sure I am at least a couple of feet away from the crown of the plant. I pry up, and take a large chunk of soil, (mine is heavy clay), and flip it onto the ground.
Once you've done this, it is very important to heavily sow some deep diving cover crops, and some grasses. This will help choke out the offending thistle.
Then I carefully extract every single piece of root I can find. This forks have proven to be a tremendous tool in my fight against this horrible plant.

I have also gained the victory of a 5 acre infestation of yellow star thistle, and smaller outbreaks, but even worse, of the dreaded goat heads.

When it comes to noxious weeds, my motto: When you think you've gotten them all, think again. You must be in relentless pursuit it you want to maintain the value of your property.
 
/ thistle: mow or spray #13  
I'm glad the only thistle I have to deal with is Bull Thistle. As long as I cut it and don't let it go to seed, I don't have much problem. When I get complacent, it starts to get heavy again. The one worrying me now is that for the last couple of years I've begun to see Tanzy showing up.
 
/ thistle: mow or spray #14  
If you are talking treating hawthorne the tree, you can do a basal spray of Garlon in a 10% solution with a oil based carrier (such as deisel fuel) or a stump treatment of straight glysophate (41%) will kill root system and inhibite sprouting.
 
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I'm located right against the border of Central CO and NM up at 8,000' in the San Juan Mountains and Ive tried everything over the years. Right now I still have from 2 to 4 feet of snow and anywhere from 2 to 3 months yet to come but when the snow is gone I'm determined to control it! It has thrived when sprayed with an herbicide, when I cut it to ground level I get many more popping up, when I individually cut it below ground level I get 2 or 3 coming up from the root like graphs, and the only way I'm slowing it down is by putting heavy gloves on and pulling the plant, roots and all, when the ground is wet but it takes weeks but little by little I'll control it. I have not let it go to seed for the last 3 years but.........
Good luck,
Jim
 
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How about Round-up? Is it effective just to spot spray Round-up on the canada thistle?
 
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How about Round-up? Is it effective just to spot spray Round-up on the canada thistle?

Yes, Round-up/glyphosate is effective. I found plant that had reached about
18". My sprayer was empty so I decide to make a normal strength solution, and poured it into an old tray. I bent the plant over into the tray, put a rock on it, and watched it succumb over the next few day. I figured the continual supply of herbicide would get down deep into the system.

I've also used a paint brush to apply weed killer to the terminal buds of the plant. You don't necessarily have to coat the entire plant. It depends upon whether or not the plant is in an active growth stage. If it isn't, kill time and success are hampered.
 
/ thistle: mow or spray #18  
I'm glad to see this thread. I've been fighting thistle for a few years now. The thistles and I are at a stalemate.

The best thing for the place so far has been good grazing practices with sheep, and multiple mowings throughout the season. I was told that curtail would be my best weapon, but I haven't tried it yet. I'm still working on getting a sprayer. Rumor has it you have to kill a thistle three times before it's dead.
 
/ thistle: mow or spray #19  
How about Round-up? Is it effective just to spot spray Round-up on the canada thistle?

I would not use round-up because you will kill everything next to the thistle as well and leave a dead spot which will invite other weeds or more thistles. Any drifting of spray will kill stuff in the path. Also round-up costs much more and IMHO there are better and cheaper sprays for that task. I spray canadian thistle and use 2-4-D in a fairly strong mix. A good stand of grass to compete with the thistle is probably the best way to compete for the long term. Don't overgraze or mow to much.
 
/ thistle: mow or spray #20  
you have to kill the roots to kill the thistle, you can cut it as low as you can but if the roots are entact it will just come back, spraying is the way to go with thistles, stick weeds, wild rose bushes too.
 

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