Thoughts on 200 hour maintenance.

[Egon]

[So you can actually treat an ethelyne glycol ingestion with vodka./QUOTE]

That sounds interesting!

Maybe I was thinking of some of the Slug baits.

Seeing as I'm a Senior with all the associated problems there is an excuse. Or mayhap I forgot to ingest all of the seven or so medications taken morning, noon, evening and bedtime the Good Doctors have wisely decreed will cure my Senior moments!

They tell me the synapse are firing, the pump is regulated, the lines are clear, the fluid is of the low viscosity type with no solids and the acids are neutralized! Now if only they could provide a new back!

 

[N80]

The interesting thing is that if a guy gets drunk and then accidentally drinks antifreeze, the alcohol in his system helps prevent toxicity!

I've been having senior moments my whole life!

 

[Egon]

I've been having senior moments my whole life!

But, has your whole life been a Senior Moment!

 

[scott_vt]

depends on your machine.

some are fuel lubed.. some share engine oil.. and some have their own sump.

for instance.. my NH 7610s (delphi) and ford 5000 (CAV) both with rotary pumps are fuel lubed.. my older 3000 with an inline sims pump has it's own oil sump and needs to hae it's oil change at the same time the crankcase oil is changed..

soundguy

Good Mornin George,
I think Chris pretty well covered it on this post. Of course that doesnt answer what typee the 4400 uses. But at least you get the idea. I believe my injection pump had three screw holes on its side. The bottom screw drained the unit, best to put a shop towel because of a big mess, the top screw was to refill the unit and the middle screw was for the oil level as a site window if you will.

As Chris mentioned, this type of pump uses engine oil, in my case it was 30 wt.

I think I may have adjusted the brakes way back then, but honestly my brakes dont get much use the way I normally use this tractor !

And then of course there is all of the obligatory grease points, which Im sure your on top of all of this !

 

[Soundguy]

Doh! That's the kind of thing a reasonably intelligent adult like myself should have thought of on my own. Sometime the simplest soultions are the hardest to think of on the spot.
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That just comes from working on lots of tractors with full sumps.. especially those that hold 10-13 gallons of fluids... real pain in the but to replace a dinged up 35$ utf-hyd filter when in fear of loosing 150$ worth of utf-hyd fluid.. so you get creative!

soundguy

 

[N80]

Scotty, I leave the parts and repair manual down at my cabin, where the tractor is so I can't look it up right now, but I'm very curious now.

Chris. I probably lost 3/4 of a gallon of Kubota Super UDT fluid which is ridiculously overpriced (I doubt I'll use it next time). By my calculations that cost me about $16. I did have extra to refill with, but that could have gone in the front axle case when it was time for it to be changed. Oh well. Live and learn. Thanks for the tip.

 

[Redbug]

The only other thing I might add George, (and I am approaching the 200 hour mark, too), would be to drain a couple gallons from the sump into a bucket before unscrewing the filter. What do you all think?

 

[SCDolphin]

What is the proper antifreeze to use. There are so many different types?

 

[Soundguy]

find out if your machine needs a cavitation / electrolysis addative.

soundguy

 

[N80]

The only other thing I might add George, (and I am approaching the 200 hour mark, too), would be to drain a couple gallons from the sump into a bucket before unscrewing the filter. What do you all think?

I think that would be a good idea. But I see two potential problems. First, my tractor is so small, a 5 gallon bucket will not fit under the pan. So you'd have to get some other container. Probably no big deal. Second, regardless of what type of container you used it would need to be super clean and you'd need to make sure nothing got in the oil during the transfer.

 

[N80]

What is the proper antifreeze to use. There are so many different types?

Manual just said to use ethylene glycol, which is basic antifreeze. I just bought the long life stuff at tractor supply. But, the same stuff was cheaper at walley world.

 

[N80]

find out if your machine needs a cavitation / electrolysis addative.

soundguy

You mean for the flux capacitor intake modulator plenum?

Seriously though, I did not see anything about that in the manual so I don't think so. What is it for?

 

[Egon]

[QUOTEflux capacitor intake modulator plenum][/quote]

Some types of anti freeze may stop atomic sized bubbles from forming against the wall of the plenum, imploding and removing an atom of plenum material.

When this happens the atomic sized particles are absorbed into the capacitor and short it out resulting in expensive problems with the modulator.

It may also drive the owner to seeking alcohol to alleviate the problem!

 

[N80]

When this happens the atomic sized particles are absorbed into the capacitor and short it out resulting in expensive problems with the modulator.

Not to mention warping the space time continuum.

 

[Egon]

After sufficient Alcohol the tractor owner may also see flashing lights. This usually happens twice. Once when he's looking in the rear view mirror of his pick up and the second time when the officer asks him to step out of the vehicle whereupon in compliance he See's many feet on the ground and trips over an extra pair that appear to be his own but really aren't there!

 

[canoetrpr]

I've been working at my 200 hr service as well. Mine is taking a lot longer since I dropped my oil pan (again!). This time I replaced the gasket and the pan - just in case. I'm getting good at dropping the pan but I don't want to have to rework this again or to go another 50 hrs with a small leak.

Should have followed soundguy's suggestion and waited to get a gasket from the dealer the last time around instead of reusing one. Soundguy - incase you are wondering, I don't think I will EVER reuse a gasket again.

I'm putting on hrs at about the same rate as you. Mine is 3 years old now. I last did the hyd filters and fluids at 50hrs - 2 years ago. As ccsial pointed out, the interval for hyd filters is 50 then 200 then 400 and every 200 from that point on. Dosen't make sense that if they are fine between 200 and 400 that they would need changing at 200 since we just changed them at 150.

I've decided to skip them at 200 and do them at 250 and every 200 hrs after that. I think I might change out my SUDT at that time as well though since it will have been 3 years since.

I'm not replacing lines as well since they look just fine. I tend to replace my air filter once yearly. Mine came with an outer filter only. The inner is optional.

 

[Soundguy]

Should have followed soundguy's suggestion and waited to get a gasket from the dealer the last time around instead of reusing one. Soundguy - incase you are wondering, I don't think I will EVER reuse a gasket again.

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There are times and places you save money.. a re-used gasket usually -isn't- one of those times.

soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

You mean for the flux capacitor intake modulator plenum?

Seriously though, I did not see anything about that in the manual so I don't think so. What is it for?

Uh.. it's to prevent cavitation ( vibration formed micro air bubbles that erode metal surfaces.. has to do with vapor pressure and alot of other fluid mechanics stuff. and also electrolysis due to disimilar metals.. most of them are also ph ballancers as well.

soundguy

 

[SCDolphin]

Antifreeze, laugh, but there are compatibility problems and special applications that did not exist 10 years ago when ya just got the green stuff in the yellow jug

 

[N80]

Antifreeze, laugh, but there are compatibility problems and special applications that did not exist 10 years ago when ya just got the green stuff in the yellow jug

All my manuals are at the cabin, so I don't know what it specifically called for. The main thing it said about compatibility was not to mix two different brands because there could be a harmful (to the tractor) reaction.