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[Jstpssng]

Small displacement engines usually live short lives once the man sized loads get hooked to em

I've always wondered that. Light trucks are fine for occasional use, but if you are going to be working it hard all of the time it's best to spend the money and get the proper tool for the job the first time.

 

[groundcover]

Very happy with the 7.3 so far. Came out of a '14 F350 6.2. The '20 has substantially more power with the ten speed and gets 3 mpg better.

 

[Hay Dude]

I've always wondered that. Light trucks are fine for occasional use, but if you are going to be working it hard all of the time it's best to spend the money and get the proper tool for the job the first time.

Small engines have to rev more than large displacement engines to achieve torque. That increases wear and decreases longevity.
Gas engine have to rev a lot more than Diesel engines to achieve the same torque. That increases wear and fuel consumption.

Thats why serious trucks have large displacement and relatively low HP Diesel engines compared to new diesel pickups.

New Ford powerstroke has more HP than an L-9 Cummins, or about the same as a lower rated N-14 Cummins, but wont pull as much....guaranteed.

 

[ArlyA]

We are quite happy with our 2019 ranger with its towing capacity and have used it for that purpose, very much. Its 260 something HP engine was one of the reasons we got it.

 

[nisaacs]

Small engines have to rev more than large displacement engines to achieve torque. That increases wear and decreases longevity.
Gas engine have to rev a lot more than Diesel engines to achieve the same torque. That increases wear and fuel consumption.

Thats why serious trucks have large displacement and relatively low HP Diesel engines compared to new diesel pickups.

New Ford powerstroke has more HP than an L-9 Cummins, or about the same as a lower rated N-14 Cummins, but wont pull as much....guaranteed.

In general I agree. However, the 6.7 Cummins is in trucks up to class 7, so is the 6.7 Ford (F-750). Not that I would want them but the fact remains, they are out there. I have (3) 5.9 Cummins trucks, they will all pull a house, but, they are only 359 cubic inch. Yet, they will out pull the 428 Ford, 460 Ford and the new 7.3.... 454 GM , 502 GM or the big block Mopars.

 

[TMGT]

In general I agree. However, the 6.7 Cummins is in trucks up to class 7, so is the 6.7 Ford (F-750). Not that I would want them but the fact remains, they are out there. I have (3) 5.9 Cummins trucks, they will all pull a house, but, they are only 359 cubic inch. Yet, they will out pull the 428 Ford, 460 Ford and the new 7.3.... 454 GM , 502 GM or the big block Mopars.

You forgot the 5.9 cummins will also outpull a 7.3ps and cat C-7 (7.2L)

Driven all 3 for a lot of miles in similar applications (class 6 rollback's and F550 towing heavy) all take the smaller Cummins any day over those larger displacement engines.

 

[Skagit]

You forgot the 5.9 cummins will also outpull a 7.3ps and cat C-7 (7.2L)

Driven all 3 for a lot of miles in similar applications (class 6 rollback's and F550 towing heavy) all take the smaller Cummins any day over those larger displacement engines.

Sure... If you turn them up. In stock form a 5.9 won't out pull anything, gutless dog of an engine. Sounds cool while you're being passed by everything else on the road though.








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[Snobdds]

Small engines have to rev more than large displacement engines to achieve torque. That increases wear and decreases longevity.
Gas engine have to rev a lot more than Diesel engines to achieve the same torque. That increases wear and fuel consumption.

Thats why serious trucks have large displacement and relatively low HP Diesel engines compared to new diesel pickups.

New Ford powerstroke has more HP than an L-9 Cummins, or about the same as a lower rated N-14 Cummins, but wont pull as much....guaranteed.

Dude...the ecoboost makes all it's torque around 2K rpm. It makes it's power in the same power band as a diesel, but it can rev if it wants.

The ecoboost is small but it is purpose built. 6 bolt mains and a crank with lots of bearing surface for its size. Piston oil coolers (squirters) and all forged internals.

I mean, not even a cummins can claim those stats.

 

[TMGT]

Sure... If you turn them up. In stock form a 5.9 won't out pull anything, gutless dog of an engine. Sounds cool while you're being passed by everything else on the road though.








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Only one of the 3 that was modded was the 7.3ps and it still struggled!

The CAT and Cummins were in almost identical trucks, '04 and '05 F650's with 21ft JerrDan steel beds, the only difference was the Cat was an extended cab, both had 5spd Allison's and same rear gear, both were dead stock. Both were the 230hp version.

The F550 was a '00, had a chip, straight exhaust and intake, aftermarket compressor wheel. 6spd manual with a 4.88 rear. Stock was 235hp. Pulled a 50ft car hauler.

At similar mileage the 5.9 had the least maintenance or repairs of the 3.

The medium duty 5.9's are tuned very different from the pickup versions of that timeframe.

 

[DavesTractor]

Small displacement engines usually live short lives once the man sized loads get hooked to em

I totally agree. To get 450/510 out of a little 3.5l engine, you simply cannot expect the longevity of doing the same out of twice as much displacement with half as much boost. But if you haven't driven a High Output twin turbo 3.5l, you will be surprised at how well they perform as a daily driver and light duty (think small boat to the lake occasionally) towing rig.

I put a supercharger on my 2013 Rubicon to try to squeeze a little performance out of the 3.6l v6 (285 HP stock) and in theory I have around 400 HP now. But the Raptor makes the Jeep, even with the blower, feel like a slug.

I'm a diesel guy that delivers every day with 6.7 Cummins pulling a 32' gooseneck. I know the difference between a toy truck and a real one, but man is the toy fun. And speed bump? What speed bump? Cushy.