I bought a YM1510 diesel about 3 weeks ago. Seller started it for me to pull it up onto my trailer with no problem other than needing a jump. It needed a freeze plug which I have taken care of already and filled the coolant. Now I can not get this thing started. I did get it started one time and after running for about 30 seconds shut it down when the exhaust started spewing out a dark thin fluid, which I was later told was just condensation built up from sitting. I have replaced the battery (it was getting weak) and I also replaced the starter because it was in bad shape though still functional. That being said, the tractor cranks but will not start. I also bleed the system although I don't think it needed it. I am now at a loss as to where to go next. The manual doesn't help much and even when the temp got up to nearly 60 degrees the other day it still would not turn over. Any help or suggestions would be much appreciated. I am losing patience about to sell it and buy something already in running condition! Thanks for any help!
YM1510 No Start Problem *HELP!*
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Was the spewing fluid actually coolant coming through because the freeze plug issue was actually more serious? The other possibilities include bad glow plugs, low compression and contaminated fuel.
One way that always works for my buddies is to tow the tractor with a truck and a chain to produce a high motor rpm. This will heat up the charge enough to fire most any fuel mixtures as long as juice is getting through. It should at least be puffing white smoke. (unburned Diesel vapor). The black spit usually comes from parking it outside during a rain storm. That's too much water (IMHO) to be just from condensation... If it was parked a long time, the rings could be dry and thus are sealing poorly.
Roll it down a hill or tow it for a 1/4 mile to warm it up.
One way that always works for my buddies is to tow the tractor with a truck and a chain to produce a high motor rpm. This will heat up the charge enough to fire most any fuel mixtures as long as juice is getting through. It should at least be puffing white smoke. (unburned Diesel vapor). The black spit usually comes from parking it outside during a rain storm. That's too much water (IMHO) to be just from condensation... If it was parked a long time, the rings could be dry and thus are sealing poorly.
Roll it down a hill or tow it for a 1/4 mile to warm it up.
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Was the tractor already warmed up when he started it for you? This is a common practice- start the tractor before the customer get there (often with ether) & then shut it off when you pull up. The tractor will be warm & start easily. Then when you get home it will have cooled down & will need ether again to start. Ether will cause SERIOUS problems though - don't use it!
If it was not already warm- How long did he run it with no water when he was loading it for you? If you have zero water in the engine (ie-freeze plug out) it won't take long for the engine to overheat. That can cause problems that will prevent it from starting again.
Do you know why the freeze plug was out of it?
Aaron
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If it was not already warm- How long did he run it with no water when he was loading it for you? If you have zero water in the engine (ie-freeze plug out) it won't take long for the engine to overheat. That can cause problems that will prevent it from starting again.
Do you know why the freeze plug was out of it?
Aaron
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Willl
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yes, i did get plenty of white smoke. i thought about the ether thing but the more i read about using it with a diesel motor the more i didn't want to even try it. it does get fuel for sure. i primed it with the lines off and easily saw the fuel coming through the filter and out of the lines. i am not sure if the seller warmed it up or not, may have been the case as i had him start it for me since i am not really familiar with starting these types of diesel tractor motors or tractors in general. as far as the power shift transmission, i am not sure what exactly that is. it is not hydrostatic but geared....is that what you are referring to? i really appreciate all the replies already! i am by no means a mechanic but not afraid to get my hands dirty and somewhat handy. i am just not a big fan of diesel since i don't fully understand the mechanics of how they work. i don't want to drop it off at a dealer and have them stick it to me. if you have any more input please don't hesitate to make any suggestions. thanks again!
oh yeah, forgot to comment on something. the tractor had blown out the freeze plug once before according to the seller and he had all three replaced. once again one of them blew some time later. he then inheritted a new tractor from family and sold this one as is. i have a pretty good feeling there are no internal issues with the motor since it ran for him when he drove it onto the trailer (not long enough to open the thermostat) which was a very short period of time. i also had it start here and it sounded good. we had both filled the antifreeze up prior to the two starts so it should not have been enough to cause a problem.
a quick Diesel Engine Basics, they ignite the fuel by heat buildup from compression pressure. (at least 400 psi plus) so even 60 degrees is still kinda cold, also all the steel will take a good while to warm up from a cold night.
glow plugs are a plus if you have them (i do not), let them warm up a couple of minutes before cranking.
it is ashame you did not install a electric freeze plug block heater while it was out. here in the deep south i wish i had one, i'm using a magnetic heater on mine because i have not yet seen a freeze plug on the block. it is necessary for me to warm up the block if it goes below 60 degrees at night. 32 degrees last night and i let the heater do its thing for at least 2 hours or longer. i place the heater right below the head gasket opposite side of exhaust.
Good Luck
i'm hoping that warming the block will solve your problem.
Edit: this link might have the correct size Freeze Plug Heater, dunno ???
http://www.jegs.com/p/JEGS/752718/1...block+heater&gclid=CKy1gIW_5pYCFQpjnAodN0vvQg
glow plugs are a plus if you have them (i do not), let them warm up a couple of minutes before cranking.
it is ashame you did not install a electric freeze plug block heater while it was out. here in the deep south i wish i had one, i'm using a magnetic heater on mine because i have not yet seen a freeze plug on the block. it is necessary for me to warm up the block if it goes below 60 degrees at night. 32 degrees last night and i let the heater do its thing for at least 2 hours or longer. i place the heater right below the head gasket opposite side of exhaust.
Good Luck
i'm hoping that warming the block will solve your problem.
Edit: this link might have the correct size Freeze Plug Heater, dunno ???
http://www.jegs.com/p/JEGS/752718/1...block+heater&gclid=CKy1gIW_5pYCFQpjnAodN0vvQg
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Get a reliable friend with a truck and a 12' tow strap. Run the truck towing system (with the tractor attached at the center of the front axle) at about 5 mph, clutch in (disengaged). Shove it in a low gear (not reverse), and when you are straight and tight, let the clutch out slowly to rev the tractor motor. It may take a few yards to clear the fuel, raise the oil pressure, coat the rings and settle the operator but it will soon fire. Probably only 1 cylinder at a time but it will fire. Watch out for more belching black smoke. Wear your safety glasses. Be prepared to shove the clutch back in and arrange for signals to your friend to stop without hitting him when it starts. But it will start. Make sure all the key, safety, fuel valves and brakes are working. YOU stop the truck & tractor or else you will hit them in the back. And don't run over the tow strap.
Then tell us how easy (or hard) it was to do this.
Then tell us how easy (or hard) it was to do this.
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my question would have been .. why were the freeze plugs blown out ?? The answer probably would have been no antifreeze ! Probably also has a cracked head. Just because the freeze plug / plugs blew, doesn't mean all is well. probably too late for a refund
