yanmar ym1500 update

   / yanmar ym1500 update #11  
Well sounds good so far and just a seal replacement is probably all you need! :thumbsup:

Winston makes a good point, some folks use ATF in hydraulic systems which these essentially are that since the loaders run off the trany fluid and the PS tranys which I know yours is gear but they use light weight hyd oil is the point. ATF is that but probably a lot more expensive than universal tractor fluid is the down side.

How well it mixes with JD 303 etc is anyone's guess but a new oil change would be the best way anyway and I bet if ATF was the most readily available it would be fine even Hy-Tran it took the place of 303 is my understanding on that subject and universal is the common replacement for both least thats my take on it fwtw.
 
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i have hdraulic oil in a can that we used to use for a track mini digger we had is that the same?i dont have a loader or tipper pipe work as the ym was bought to do pto work ie grass cutting . the old massey ferguson 35 is starting to need stuff done on it so am thinking of just getting another compact but a 4x4 model around 25? as it would need to run a pto driven log sawbench and a hydraulic log splitter so needs to be piped just been looking but only thing ive saw was a isizi ts model ? any others you guys would recommend ?
 
   / yanmar ym1500 update #13  
I am no lubricant guru but personally would not run straight hydraulic oil in the 1500.
 
   / yanmar ym1500 update #14  
What does the can of hydraulic say it is used for, what specifications does it meet, etc? The oil in the hydraulic systems of these tractors also lubricates the axles and gears, so requires a different additive package than a straight hydraulic fluid might.

As far as other machines go, you will have a tough time finding a Japanese compact machine that can work the ground like that old Massey 35. In the US, parts for grey market Yanmars tractors are the easiest to find; Kubota and Mitsubishi are probably next. Kubota dealers are contractually obligated to NOT sell parts for grey market Kubota machines.

This complicates parts availability, even if it is possible to get things for sister models. Mitsubishis are more rare here than the others. I think Iseki is next, since they often use Mitsubishi engines and still have a dealer presence in Hawaii; I don't think they support grey market machines though, and their tractors, too, are less common. I think Shibaura and Hinomoto are at the bottom end for parts availability. Many things are still available, but they are non-existent as companies in my understanding.

Things may be entirely different in the UK. I don't know what import restrictions exist there. I would call around on several machines of the size range you desire and price basic parts: injection, hydraulic, and water pumps, pistons, rings and gaskets, perhaps a radiator and cooling fan. Once you find out the relative availability, you can make a more informed decision. If Iseki is the major imported brand there as Yanmar is in the States, that would be my recommendation.

I don't think there is much to choose amongst the larger compact Japanese machines in terms of durability or quality. Anything can be abused and broken, but all are extremely well-built, reliable machines. With a functional cooling system, clean air and good fuel, they will give service for 75 years just as the earlier classic farm equipment has done, in my opinion.
 
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o i will check the cans and see what they say in daylight i found one international tractores backend oil when i was looking through what was in the shed ? o im not sure about parts back up as i live rural i check the net i can get basic filters and stuff for most but big parts im not sure we have iseki kubota and yanmar marine new here . but there seem lots of hinamoto shibaura mitsubishi seem to be a few lately but not many selling parts i was thinking ford ferguson compact as i know there are main delers so parts should be ok? iseki i see a one that is a model that seems to pop up here is a 2160 but dont know much about it? thanks
 
   / yanmar ym1500 update #16  
I don't know if the UK Ford Ferguson Compact is the same as the 'American' small Fords - but these were build for Ford by Shibaura. Who went out of business 10(??) years ago. I've seen posts on here where owners were searching for parts. I would check parts availability before buying a UK small Ford.

As for your 'International Tractor Backend Oil' - I would check on the internet and see if that product meets Deere 303 spec (An old spec, which is the minimum recommended by Yanmar). JD 303 and the later varieties of 'Universal Tractor Fluid' are a hydraulic fluid (approximately 20 wt oil) combined with extreme pressure additives needed for the gears.

Also - here in the US I'm not sure Yanmar Marine dealers will sell tractor parts. Yanmar-USA have granted limited licenses to their dealers which prohibit support of gray market models. You might want to ask a Marine engine dealer if he can order tractor parts.
 
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yes im sure the compact ford with shibaura engine and the massey with hinomoto engines .are no longer use in the newer models of both .o i can get filters and some small parts here for yanmar and i knew that the ym1500 was not bad for parts even if they have to come from the us what are the larger yanmars like for parts? we have a mix on e bay and a few guys over the uk selling second hand kubota iseki hinamoto and some yanmar but probably the most dealers are for chinese tractors like rabtrac sironomer landlegend and maharinda . but not sure about them. yes will check the oil international is part of the case mccormich tractor group. the local agri dealer is a class tractor dealer but i will see what they have .thanks
 
   / yanmar ym1500 update #18  
none of those "chineese" tracotrs are sold here its mostly Jimina and copies sold by other places rebranded like the Nortrac sold by Northern tool. Manihandra is an Indian tractor, and have a fairly good rep!
 
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yes i have seen a few jinma but these sironomer can come flat packed build your self or built for you . the manihandra is more expensive but only seen one dealer , not sure about them incase spares dry up then im left with no tractor and having to buy another? will keep looking to see what is on the market before i change my massey ferguson 35
 
   / yanmar ym1500 update #20  
An observation about "parts": the meaning of that term is broad and comprehensive, and may have drastically different implications for each person. Generally, what I would call "maintenance parts" are readily and easily available. This means oil filters, air filters, and belts.

Many of the tractors use a filter cross-referenced to a vast multitude of Toyota, Honda, Subaru and a plethora other automobiles. Any automotive parts dealer will have several on the shelf. I have never heard of a Japanese tractor using an unobtainable oil filter. The oil to go into the engines is readily available too, and non-problematic.

Air filters are generally one of three types. A flatter round type, similar to that often seen atop performance carbureted engines, a cylindrical cartridge type, and the oil-bath style.

Oil bath styles require only engine oil to service, so are the most universally serviceable of all.

The cartridge types seem to be fairly universal, and are available in brand-specific (say, Kubota or Case) as well as generically. These are easily available at any tractor service facility, whether brand specific or
not. My local (urban) Wal-Mart does not have these. Many auto part stores do; they can order them for next-day availability if not.

The final type are the flatter type, and these are both more problematic and easier, depending on one's interpretation. Some closely resemble automotive filters, but actually are incompatible, and will not effectively filter air. The YM2000/240 series is notorious for this. However, with some foreknowledge and a tube of silicone, one can improvise an effective seal. This obviously is not recommended, but is possible. However, several good online dealers provide the correct filters at very reasonable prices, and since the YM240 was imported through Yanmar, dealers can order you factory brand parts that are known to fit.

Fluids are easy: motor oil is ubiquitous for these, as is antifreeze. Hydraulic fluid is generically available, as is gear oil. Grease is grease, (At least among classes and for our purposes) and if you can't find diesel, none of it matters anyway. Fuel and hydraulic filters are straightforward, too. The metal screens are intended to be cleaned and
re-used. Spin on filters, like oil filters, are generic. Fuel filters are generally part of a fuel bowl assembly that seems universal to most equipment. If yours is peculiar, they are easily replaced or updated.

Belts are compatible in width and length with other V-belts, so measuring or matching will serve to find equivalent maintenance parts.

In summary, there is no reason maintenance should not be done due to a "lack of parts."

What I would call "service parts" are normally expected semi-wear items.

These can be more problematic, but are, generally, able to be found. I include water pumps, alternator/generators, starters, tires and wheels, radiators, and similar things here. Most of these are, happily, either rebuildable, serviceable, or replaceable with functionally equal parts. They may be tougher or very expensive to find in identical components, but will not keep the tractor from being functional; it may start to look cobbled together, since it is.

Water pumps are generally not an issue. I haven't heard of anyone not being able to source something from an online retailer. Many share water pumps with other engines, or have rebuildable components inside. They may not be stocked, generally, by a local dealer. This actually includes recent production domestic market machines, too: a friend recently had to wait a week or so for a fairly recent Kubota L-series water pump (I think he has a 3130) from the dealer. There are some postings about people not being able to find a compatible pump, but often they seem clueless or unwilling to take advice. Rebuilding the pumps is usually an alternative, too. In case all other alternatives somehow fail, an electric water pump could be used.

Radiators usually require a service job if they haven't been properly maintained. A genuine radiator shop can be tough to find, but are still
around. They can rod out the core, or, for a price, recore the tanks. With a few exceptions, they are unavailable as replacement parts, but they could reasonably be adapted, in extremis, to use a salvaged radiator from something else. You will have a Frankenstein looking abomination, but it will work.

Generators and alternators are either rebuildable or replaceable. They are fairly generic. Mazda and Datsun alternators commonly interchange with only minor bending or tweaking. Others have adapted GM alternators with some more work. If you don't run lights, a battery tending float charger can keep your battery at proper levels of charge when parked, and no electrical power is required except to start the tractor. Most of
these are generic for years and across many different model numbers, so can be found through an internet search, too.

Starters are also often rebuildable. They are not nearly as universal as generators or starters. Some incorrect starters are known to be sold online, especially through online retailers for starters. Sometimes they have the wrong number of teeth, for instance. Legitimate retailers, such as Hoye, offer correct starters; they cost more, but should last forever. Most starter problems are because of other trouble, like poor battery power, lousy wiring, etc, and avoiding these trouble spots will keep the starter operable indefinitely.

Starters are generally expensive; some are worse than others. My Shibaura-built Ford 1700 uses an oddball starter. It is available new through New Holland, but is over $1000. When I needed one, I didn't feel like doubling the price of the tractor by installing a new starter. A rebuild was about $200, including being shipped back and forth across the country. Local rebuilders were unable to help me.

Wheels and tires are usually long lived, but available when they are worn. Tires are easiest, wheels can be harder, but are simple to adapt or fix with enough time and/or money. Worst case means buying a set of similar wheels and building an adapter plate to match bolt patterns. Any good machine will be happy to take your money for this. I built a dual wheel spool to do the same thing in an afternoon.

Finally, there are what I call "hard parts," borrowing the term from transmission rebuilders. This is everything else on the tractor. Gaskets, pistons, hydraulic pumps, gears, transmission castings, bearings, sheet metal, etc. These can be impossible to find, and are what people should mean when they say one cannot get parts for grey market tractors.

Where does one find a transmission casting? Some specialized sources
MAY be able to get castings, but they will be prohibitively expensive. Nobody has castings for the N-series Fords, either. If your tractor breaks there, then, it is ruined forever. You should part it out and buy a new one. Gears can be cut, for a price, but it rapidly becomes cheaper to just buy a new machine.

Engine rebuild parts, hydraulic and injection pumps, etc are sometimes
available. If you break a crankshaft, for instance, only some are available, usually Yanmar and Kubota. The others simply are not in business anymore. Some of the Mitsubishi engines are common, and found in Mitsubishi, Satoh, Case, and Iseki tractors along with other products. These are easier to find. A broken crankshaft in my Ford 1700 means it is ruined permanently. Head gaskets are usually available, even for rare things. Keeping the radiator and water pump in good shape should keep that from ever needing to be fixed.

Chassis bearings are usually available through a good bearing supply
house. Sheet metal requires a salvaged part, often virtually impossible to find, or far too expensive to afford. A fender for my IH 284 was over $4000 dollars when last I checked, so absurd I won't even say anything. Headlights and electrical items likely are not, but easily substituted with other components.

Steering boxes go out on loader equipped machines, but sometimes just from use/abuse. Yanmar and Kubota have available kits or replacement sets. I don't know about others.

Hydraulic pumps may be problematic, too, with some of the less common brands, but are conceivably replaceable by crankshaft driven replacement pumps after some replumbing.

So. What do you mean by parts and spares? :D

In sum, I wouldn't worry too much about a machine for which I can find rationally priced engine rebuild parts and a steering box. Most everything else is conquerable within reason. I would spend a few hundred dollars to rebuild an engine. I will not spend thousands on a broken casting. Don't mind driving horridly ugly equipment.

Sorry for the massive post. I talk too much.
 

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