Yanmar and Cub Cadet
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themartaman
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Is cub cadet part of MTD?
NCGMAN
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MAN!!!!! I BET THEM THINGS COST $20,000.00 TO MUCH $$$$$$
lorus1966
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I've got one of the new SC2400 SCUT. I needed something for our 4 acre hobby farm for loader work, mowing, and various chores related to the property and our horses. While I wanted something bigger, the size of our buildings and the number of trees on the property dictated a SCUT. I looked at many, including the JD2305 and the Kubotz BX24.
I finally decided to order the SC2400 without seeing one, based solely on the reputation of the Yanmar brand. I was not disappointed. I paid about $13,500 including the FEL, MMM, and delivery (90 miles).
The tractor is VERY well put together, and other than the MMM I don't see much that came from CC. As a matter of fact, all of the filters and routine maintenance parts came to me with only Yanmar numbers and markings on the packaging. From what I can tell, the mechanicals on this tractor are all Yanmar.
One thing that I do find funny though, is the throttle. After reading the official Yanmar Gray Market Statement which talked about the direction of travel for the throttle lever, I was quite surprised to see that the throttle on the SC2400 follows the gray market machines and not the US versions. You pull towards the driver for fast and push away for slow. Go figure. I guess that wasn't such a big safety issue after all.
I've had the machine hooked up to a KK 48" tiller and it cut new ground with no problems. I've also moved about 45 tons of recycled asphalt and graded our driveway, also with no problems. I think that I'm going to find many uses for the tractor as time goes on.
I finally decided to order the SC2400 without seeing one, based solely on the reputation of the Yanmar brand. I was not disappointed. I paid about $13,500 including the FEL, MMM, and delivery (90 miles).
The tractor is VERY well put together, and other than the MMM I don't see much that came from CC. As a matter of fact, all of the filters and routine maintenance parts came to me with only Yanmar numbers and markings on the packaging. From what I can tell, the mechanicals on this tractor are all Yanmar.
One thing that I do find funny though, is the throttle. After reading the official Yanmar Gray Market Statement which talked about the direction of travel for the throttle lever, I was quite surprised to see that the throttle on the SC2400 follows the gray market machines and not the US versions. You pull towards the driver for fast and push away for slow. Go figure. I guess that wasn't such a big safety issue after all.
I've had the machine hooked up to a KK 48" tiller and it cut new ground with no problems. I've also moved about 45 tons of recycled asphalt and graded our driveway, also with no problems. I think that I'm going to find many uses for the tractor as time goes on.
The issue is not the quality, but the fact that it IS a contract tractor, marketed by a company other than the manufacturer. The history of parts supplies for contract tractors is not good. Seems they always become orphans when the contract ends.
SailorBob
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A new dealership selling on those just popped up over night it seems here in Mobile. I have not had a chance to stop and take a look at them yet. I would worry about buying a big ticket item like that from a brand new dealer though. Who knows how long the dealer/brand will stick around.. I am sure they are fine tractors but, a few years from now who knows about support.
lorus1966
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Unless I seriously misunderstand things, about the only way to buy a tractor that is not a "contract" tractor is to either buy a Kubota or a gray market Japanese model. If not buying a "contract" tractor was the issue, then I suppose no one would buy a green machine either. Of course there are a few other brands on the market such as Kioti, but almost all the major players such as JD, CNH, and now Bobcat are selling "contract" machines.
I knew that I wanted a Yanmar, and I also knew that I wasn't too keen about spending $9,000 or more for a 25+ year old tractor. I priced quite a few gray market Yanmar units, and by the time I added the FEL, finish mower, shipping, etc. I just couldn't justify not having the new tractor warranty (2000 hours and/or 2 years bumper to bumper & 3 year drivetrain).
The dealer I chose is relatively close and has been selling ag tractors for generations in the same spot. They have been a CC dealer for many years. I just can't imagine that finding parts will be any more difficult than I've read many Yanmar gray market owners face. I can't count all the different threads on this board that discussed various parts that were in short supply. Remember, we're talking about getting parts from Yanmar for the most part since the drivetrain is made by them.
Please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that there won't ever be problems. What I am saying though is that this seemed to be a great way to get the quality that Yanmar is known for without having to get a decades-old tractor.
I knew that I wanted a Yanmar, and I also knew that I wasn't too keen about spending $9,000 or more for a 25+ year old tractor. I priced quite a few gray market Yanmar units, and by the time I added the FEL, finish mower, shipping, etc. I just couldn't justify not having the new tractor warranty (2000 hours and/or 2 years bumper to bumper & 3 year drivetrain).
The dealer I chose is relatively close and has been selling ag tractors for generations in the same spot. They have been a CC dealer for many years. I just can't imagine that finding parts will be any more difficult than I've read many Yanmar gray market owners face. I can't count all the different threads on this board that discussed various parts that were in short supply. Remember, we're talking about getting parts from Yanmar for the most part since the drivetrain is made by them.
Please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that there won't ever be problems. What I am saying though is that this seemed to be a great way to get the quality that Yanmar is known for without having to get a decades-old tractor.
You probably don't realize this, but green has stopped support for their first series of compacts, 650-1050. When parts inventory is gone, well.....we are currently selling to several JD dealers from our Yanmar aftermarket parts catalog for this reason. And actually you hit the nail on the head. There is probably better parts support right now for grey market yanmars than for any other tractor in the 25+ year old range....and this will continue because it is aftermarket support, based on profit from parts. OEMs would just as soon models become obsolete so customers buy new ones.
Unless this contract venture fares differently than virtually all others, 20 years from now there will likely be better parts support for 40 year old grey yanmars than for your tractor. In between now and whenever the parts support gets thin, you'll probably be just fine.
Unless this contract venture fares differently than virtually all others, 20 years from now there will likely be better parts support for 40 year old grey yanmars than for your tractor. In between now and whenever the parts support gets thin, you'll probably be just fine.
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...and for the reasons you just listed, I chose a tractor built by Yanmar. I figured that I'd be much better off with anything they built over the other like models built under contract. I wasn't as concerned with the name on the outside as I was with the name on the inside. The fact that all the maintenance parts I've needed have come from Yanmar, not CC, also makes me feel better.
All that being said, I seriously doubt that I'll still have this tractor in 25-30 years. I anticipate needing to trade up to a larger unit in much less time as our needs grow. Support that far down the road may be important to many, but for me the warranty was the primary selling point. The other big selling point was the HST tranny, which I found to be slightly more convenient for our needs than even the powershift models, especially with the shift-on-the-go hi/lo.
All that being said, I seriously doubt that I'll still have this tractor in 25-30 years. I anticipate needing to trade up to a larger unit in much less time as our needs grow. Support that far down the road may be important to many, but for me the warranty was the primary selling point. The other big selling point was the HST tranny, which I found to be slightly more convenient for our needs than even the powershift models, especially with the shift-on-the-go hi/lo.
And where is the CUT owned manufacturing facility? Please show the information that documents the OEM is the same corporation as the marketer. It is still a contract tractor made by Yanmar and marketed by CUT, which is a separate corporation. You can go to the Ohio Secretary of State website and see the filing for CUT, which is a company based in Ohio. They may be cousins, but they are NOT the same company. When/if CUT closes up, or begins to order tractors from S Korea or elsewhere, the relationship will change. If Yanmar was totally committed to bringing back a line of compacts why not market completely under their own name through 1. current dealers handling their line of industrial equipment, and/or 2. former yanmar tractor dealers, and/or 3. tractor parts distributors who are set up with service as well? Why hang the cadet/MTD label, which has gone downhill in credibility the past decade, around your neck?dgl24087 said:
lorus1966 said:
I never understood this. The throttle on my newer Kubota is the same way my old 2210D was. Pull back for more throttle. I think all of the old Fords I've run were the same too. I heard that the thottle on the Yanmars were backwards, but it seemed normal to me.
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I think that Yanmar's real motivation in posting some of that stuff was fear of liability more than any actual safety issue....IMHO... I'm not talking about ROPS and PTO shields of course, but direction of throttle travel, etc.
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lorus1966 said:
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themartaman
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greatrandini, Obviously you have not dealt with MTD a lot. A friend bought a Troybilt tiller on my suggestion. MTD now owns Troybilt. He has had problems from the beginning and it has not not been fixed yet. MTD gives him a lot of double talk. He is going to return to Lowes and buy another brand elsewhere. One of the few choices he has is Honda. I told him to get it.
lorus1966
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I'm fairly new posting to these boards but have been reading them for quite some time. I guess you could say that I'm starting to get a wee bit frustrated by the apparent bias against these machines, apparently by people who have never even been on one. I think that Randy's comment has been the only one that's at least been happy that I've enjoyed my new tractor. Most of the other comments have sure been a bummer to read. I guess I was expecting more people just to be happy that there is someone out there with a new machine that they like and enjoy.
It may be true that Cub has had problems in the recent past, but I cannot see any evidence of it in the tractor that I purchased. As far as I can tell, the only thing that Cub is responsible for is the deck and possibly some of the FEL. This tractor is a Yanmar as far as I can tell, and it acts like one.
I've now got 50 hours of seat time on my SC2400, and much of it has been really pushing things up to the limit. Lots of time moving 40 tons of crushed asphalt, regrading a long drive, and moving rocks for a duck pond.
I don't want to be critical of any individuals, but would it be so hard for people to at least hold their criticism until they've actually seen or used the thing? Until then, where's all the support that I've seen for other new tractor owners?
It may be true that Cub has had problems in the recent past, but I cannot see any evidence of it in the tractor that I purchased. As far as I can tell, the only thing that Cub is responsible for is the deck and possibly some of the FEL. This tractor is a Yanmar as far as I can tell, and it acts like one.
I've now got 50 hours of seat time on my SC2400, and much of it has been really pushing things up to the limit. Lots of time moving 40 tons of crushed asphalt, regrading a long drive, and moving rocks for a duck pond.
I don't want to be critical of any individuals, but would it be so hard for people to at least hold their criticism until they've actually seen or used the thing? Until then, where's all the support that I've seen for other new tractor owners?
