Working Women

[LouNY]

Could she kick your ass?

most certainly,

 

[ruffdog]

Could she kick your ass?

Not surprising you are still in playground mode....I gave up thinking that way YEARS ago....grow up.

 

[Jstpssng]

I was in NAPA today. The clerk who waited on me went upstairs to get me a radiator hose. Three guys were standing around talking. There was a woman out back putting parts away, and another putting more parts out in the front of the store.

For some reason it made me think of this thread.

 

[Mtsoxfan]

I'm retired from teaching at a tech high school. The girls there rock, in all trades...

 

[ruffdog]

I was in NAPA today. The clerk who waited on me went upstairs to get me a radiator hose. Three guys were standing around talking. There was a woman out back putting parts away, and another putting more parts out in the front of the store.

For some reason it made me think of this thread.

Yep, I also know a woman that has been a parts person for about 47 years now. When I need parts there, she is definitely the person I want to get the right parts.

 

[2LaneCruzer]

 

[dfkrug]

I highly recommend the Rosie the Riveter Historical Park and museum in Richmond, CA. It has been a few years since the wife and I last went, but we did get to talk to some bona fide nonagenarian Rosies.

Rosie the Riveter WWII Home Front National Historical Park (U.S. National Park Service)

Celebrate and honor the contributions and sacrifices of American civilians on the WWII home front. Discover how diverse communities lived, worked, and interacted. Many faces, many stories, many truths, weave a rich tapestry of experiences from this era of opportunity and loss.

www.nps.gov

In the East Bay, Rosies were actually not riveters, mostly, but weldors. They built liberty ships (Victory Ships). As someone interested in the history of technology, I asked Qs about what welders they used, and details about their tools. None remembered these specifics, sadly.

 

[WinterDeere]

As someone interested in the history of technology, I asked Qs about what welders they used, and details about their tools. None remembered these specifics, sadly

This is probably going to sound worse than intentended, but they probably never knew those specifics. Women working in these tech roles are often just more interested in getting the job done, than digging into the tools and background.

Back when I was running R&D for a tech company, I loved having a few female employees in the usually all-male department, because they just got sh*t done, in a way most guys never could. You'd give them tools and instructions, and they'd just plow through the work.

By contrast, the male technicians would always want to know how and why everything worked, or to find a better way to build that mousetrap. But because they didn't really have the background or understanding to know any better, they were always more likely to screw up the job, than the women who just did it the way they were told.

Much more importantly though, was that the women didn't have an ego that prevented them from telling me when they had a question about a job. The number of times I lost a week or a month from a project, because a male tech was unsure of a requirement and just quietly made their best (wrong) guess at it, are too numerous to count. Conversely, the women would almost always point out their questions or doubts, so these things could be caught and corrected, before they caused massive problems down the road.

So, I always liked having female tech employees, from the standpoint of efficiency and error avoidance. The fact that they were more fun to look at as well, was just a bonus.

 

[RayIN]

I've never watched a utube video where the woman was all sweaty, greasy and dirty from working on something. Seems like all of them are in clean clothes, even their hands are clean.
If a mechanic removed pistons like this he'd be fired.

 

[dfkrug]

Much more importantly though, was that the women didn't have an ego that prevented them from telling me when they had a question about a job. The number of times I lost a week or a month from a project, because a male tech was unsure of a requirement and just quietly made their best (wrong) guess at it, are too numerous to count. Conversely, the women would almost always point out their questions or doubts, so these things could be caught and corrected, before they caused massive problems down the road.

Interesting observation.

Generalizations are notable and sometimes useful, tho many folks insist on pointing out an exception they have met.

Anyway, I have volunteered for 10 years now in a middle school "maker space", showing 6-8 graders how to make things with tools. Often power tools. It has been a bit over half girls over the years.

They have a huge range of exposure to tools and making things, but most don't even know how to hammer a nail or screw in a screw. A few will bluff and say they know how to do something, but they are not often correct. The bluffers are always boys.

 

[Oaktree]

Anyway, I have volunteered for 10 years now in a middle school "maker space", showing 6-8 graders how to make things with tools. Often power tools. It has been a bit over half girls over the years.

They have a huge range of exposure to tools and making things, but most don't even know how to hammer a nail or screw in a screw. A few will bluff and say they know how to do something, but they are not often correct. The bluffers are always boys.

I think a lot of this has to do with how boys are brought up, and not instinctively knowing how to do do certain "guy stuff" is seen as a sign of weakness, which is of course not acceptable so boys learn how to fake it. This of course carries over to adulthood, and manifests itself as you described. Girls are allowed to not know that stuff, so it's OK for them to ask a not-so-stupid question.

More than once have I been in a work-related class where there was some concept basic to the whole big picture I didn't understand. In my younger days I would've just pretended to understand it and hope it would become obvious, but as I've gotten older I'm more inclined to speak up and ask that it be explained. Many times, after the class I've had other guys in the group come up to me and admit they didn't understand it either and were glad I'd brought it up.

 

[tradosaurus]

Could she kick your ass?

Probably not.
But very few of those "strong independent women" would be the ones you would marry anyway.
This is my idea of beauty. If I was a young man looking for a woman to marry it would probably be a Mennonite.

 

[RayIN]

This is probably going to sound worse than intentended, but they probably never knew those specifics. Women working in these tech roles are often just more interested in getting the job done, than digging into the tools and background.

Back when I was running R&D for a tech company, I loved having a few female employees in the usually all-male department, because they just got sh*t done, in a way most guys never could. You'd give them tools and instructions, and they'd just plow through the work.

By contrast, the male technicians would always want to know how and why everything worked, or to find a better way to build that mousetrap. But because they didn't really have the background or understanding to know any better, they were always more likely to screw up the job, than the women who just did it the way they were told.

Much more importantly though, was that the women didn't have an ego that prevented them from telling me when they had a question about a job. The number of times I lost a week or a month from a project, because a male tech was unsure of a requirement and just quietly made their best (wrong) guess at it, are too numerous to count. Conversely, the women would almost always point out their questions or doubts, so these things could be caught and corrected, before they caused massive problems down the road.

So, I always liked having female tech employees, from the standpoint of efficiency and error avoidance. The fact that they were more fun to look at as well, was just a bonus.

I found the same to be true when working with female trainees in basic training. The male ego hindered males, but women trainees not so much. With the women you told them the task to be completed, the time limit, gave them the tools, then instructed them in the proper(Army) way of performing the task. Then get out of their way, they will ask questions when they are in doubt.
To top it off, every female training company I had out-scored the male trainee companies on the rifle range, as a company unit.
I attributed that to the fact that women can concentrate more on learning the task than men.
I once referred to it as women are more single-minded than men and was reprimanded by the Bn Cdr., but IMO it's true.

 

[Hay Dude]

Probably not.
But very few of those "strong independent women" would be the ones you would marry anyway.
This is my idea of beauty. If I was a young man looking for a woman to marry it would probably be a Mennonite.
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And they works their arses off!

 

[tradosaurus]

And they works their arses off!

Yep. But not acting like a man and doing woman's work. My wife homeschooled our kids, sewed, cook, cut my hair. And kept her figure after 8 biological kids. Would she mow the lawn, change the oil in the car, etc?
Nope! I got dirty so she didn't have to.

 

[tradosaurus]

I found the same to be true when working with female trainees in basic training. The male ego hindered males, but women trainees not so much. With the women you told them the task to be completed, the time limit, gave them the tools, then instructed them in the proper(Army) way of performing the task. Then get out of their way, they will ask questions when they are in doubt.
To top it off, every female training company I had out-scored the male trainee companies on the rifle range, as a company unit.
I attributed that to the fact that women can concentrate more on learning the task than men.
I once referred to it as women are more single-minded than men and was reprimanded by the Bn Cdr., but IMO it's true.

It also helps to lower the physical standards to allow wymen to be in the military or police force.

 

[RayIN]

It also helps to lower the physical standards to allow wymen to be in the military or police force.



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Male and female trainees had the same standards to meet, with the exception of PT=physical training qualifications.
I'm not familiar with todays PT standards, which I understand have changed dramatically due to the majority of the population being over-weight.
Now the Armed Services even have a pre-enlistment training school for over-weight enlistees to get in shape enough to meet enlistment standards.

 

[tradosaurus]

Male and female trainees had the same standards to meet, with the exception of PT=physical training qualifications.
I'm not familiar with todays PT standards, which I understand have changed dramatically due to the majority of the population being over-weight.
Now the Armed Services even have a pre-enlistment training school for over-weight enlistees to get in shape enough to meet enlistment standards.

This is a big standard not to be equal, don't you think?

 

[tradosaurus]

I've never watched a utube video where the woman was all sweaty, greasy and dirty from working on something. Seems like all of them are in clean clothes, even their hands are clean.
If a mechanic removed pistons like this he'd be fired.

And didn't have Bob's & Vagene showing through their clothes. Maybe that's why they get paid 70 cent's on the dollar compared to men.
I doubt a woman fully covered would get many views.

 

[Oaktree]

Probably not.
But very few of those "strong independent women" would be the ones you would marry anyway.
This is my idea of beauty. If I was a young man looking for a woman to marry it would probably be a Mennonite.

Yep. But not acting like a man and doing woman's work. My wife homeschooled our kids, sewed, cook, cut my hair. And kept her figure after 8 biological kids. Would she mow the lawn, change the oil in the car, etc?
Nope! I got dirty so she didn't have to.

I don't know what century you're living in, but I don't want to live there.
I've been around strong, independent women all my life...mother, aunts, sisters, and now wife. Wouldn't have it any other way.

What's even considered "women's work" these days? I was single a long time...I know how to cook, do laundry, simple mending. My father considered that stuff to be beneath him (or at least never learned how to do any of it), but he was from a different era. I have no interest in a woman who's afraid to get her hands dirty, or muss her hair.

Why are you so threatened by them?