Will UAW Strike?

[lilranch2001]

What a tool.

Why thank you!

 

[5030]

Nice rig, but you may as well be driving a diesel pusher!

LOL

Not where we camp at up north. Only access is via a seasonal road with a stream crossing and some pretty steep pulls. I need a 4WD to get in there and put again. I'd be leaving a diesel pusher there forever, as a summer home.

 

[lilranch2001]

Not where we camp at up north. Only access is via a seasonal road with a stream crossing and some pretty steep pulls. I need a 4WD to get in there and put again. I'd be leaving a diesel pusher there forever, as a summer home.

I know, it’s just a lot of rig……

Back in 72 I brought my first four-wheel-drive pick up truck and I toyed with the idea of buying a crew cab but then I drove it and what a log wagon it was to drive… and the truck i test drove was only a 2 wheel Dr.

 

[5030]

It's a 'lumber wagon' unloaded no doubt but with the camper in the back or the gooseneck on the hitch, loaded, it rides quite nicely.

 

[lilranch2001]

I’m sure as a dedicated camper, it is just as you describe, but I now drive a F150 short bed, regular cab, and that is my perfect vehicle!

My second vehicle in the 70’s and 80’s were CJ5 and CJ7s so you can tell I am not fond of 3-4 point turning maneuvers

 

[lman]

On the phone with one of my hunting buddies this morning and he just so happens to be the plant manager of a large steel processing concern in Butler, Indiana and he told me point blank that they are most certainly headed into a mass layoff situation if the strike isn't resolved quickly. He told me cancelation of orders has become commonplace as T2 and T3 automotive suppliers are belt tightening and they do a huge amount of business not only with the bog 3 but their suppliers as well.

Interesting article that was posted but then I knew Fords was finding Fain and company tedious right from the get go. Remember, I have an 'In' at Fords.

What will be interesting is when their strike fund is depleted and the rank and file won't get any financial assistance and the cannot get unemployment either (at least here in Michigan). I hear the fund might last until Christmas, maybe, depending on how many members Fain decides to pull off the job.

It wouldn't surprise me if somebody at the White House printed money that we don't have to give to the strikers.

 

[Hay Dude]

And meanwhile, non-u

Dude, you just keep making my point….

The unions destroyed International Harvester. They were some of the most technologically advanced designs of their day. Their large farm tractors were the first ever with on board computers. The Scouts were awesome SUV’s. The final versions set the bar for the full size SUV. The Travelalls were the precursor for the Suburban.

It’s like trying to reason with a 4 yr old over why you can’t eat candy all day, lilranch2001.
Been there, done that. Some people will support unions until they destroy the company, then cry and wonder why there’s no more companies to work for.
‘Nuff said.

 

[Hay Dude]

The end of the UAW is near, as the 2 or 3 remaining hosts are about to be consumed, the same way IH went away.
Really sad to watch idiots repeat the same mistakes over & over and cry for 4 day work weeks and 100K + benefits for assembly line work.

Stupid.

 

[RandyT]

Looks like the UAW is gearing up to repeat the mistakes of about 40 years ago with another large corporation. The strike in that case lasted several years, and the company pulled in their salaries employees and started building equipment for their dealers. In the middle of this they discovered that they could product just as much equipment with 1/3 of the original work force. So the company basically told the union that they could meet all their demands but were only bringing back 1/3 of the employee and the union accepted the offer.

 

[ruffdog]

"Greed and terrible management killed International Harvester.

By 1979, International Harvester was the 4th largest company in the United States, thanks to its massive product catalog that spanned from Scouts to tractors. Part of this growth was thanks to Archie McCardell, a notoriously anti-union boss, who took over as CEO in 1978.

One of the first things McCardell did was strip 11,000 middle managers from the workforce, most of whom were experienced labor negotiators. He then appointed a new President of Human Resources and set about negotiating a new UAW (United Auto Workers) contract in 1979. Unfortunately for International Harvester, McCardell and the newly appointed Human Resources lead has absolutely no experience negotiating contacts. Negotiations took a sharp turn after only one day. Union issues were not limited to IH and were also happening at John Deere and Caterpillar, where workers began to strike, forcing concessions."

What Happened To International Harvester?

 

[Torvy]

And meanwhile, non-u


The unions destroyed International Harvester. They were some of the most technologically advanced designs of their day. Their large farm tractors were the first ever with on board computers. The Scouts were awesome SUV’s. The final versions set the bar for the full size SUV. The Travelalls were the precursor for the Suburban.

It’s like trying to reason with a 4 yr old over why you can’t eat candy all day, lilranch2001.
Been there, done that. Some people will support unions until they destroy the company, then cry and wonder why there’s no more companies to work for.
‘Nuff said.

Dad bought a Travelall in 1973 when he retired from USAF. We had a Scout II (owned by the dealership) from about 1974 to 1982. One of the vehicles in which I learned to drive. Of course, ours was red and white. Uncle drove an identical one except his roof was white, ours was red.

You are spot on. Of the UAW doesn't kill the golden goose, IH was poised to dominate a niche. The competition were all car manufacturers who made trucks. IH was an equipment/truck manufacturer who made smaller trucks. The SUV suited their target demographic perfectly.

 

[Torvy]

How to recognize an article written by someone who knows nothing about which they write.

"One of the first things McCardell did was strip 11,000 middle managers from the workforce, most of whom were experienced labor negotiators."

So, most of 11 THOUSAND middle managers were experienced labor negotiators? By definition, that means at least 5,501 of them. If 5500+ employees are busy negotiating with labor rather than running a business, you have a problem. What was the problem? Labor.

The UAW was the greed you are looking for. I know, they paid the guys with unique skills more money because they managed the business successfully to that point. Jealousy is a cruel mistress. Kill the golden goose rather than improve yourself to earn more. Excellent life lesson.

 

[ruffdog]

And meanwhile, non-u


The Travelalls were the precursor for the Suburban.

Wrong. The Suburban came out in 1935 while the Travelall came out in 1953....18 years LATER.

 

[Torvy]

Wrong. The Suburban came out in 1935 while the Travelall came out in 1953....18 years LATER.

Travelall added 4WD first. Until then, you just had a station wagon.

 

[ruffdog]

"Archie McCardell, a notoriously anti-union boss, who took over as CEO in 1978....."

Look how quickly Archie destroyed the company by attacking the very work force that made the products. He felt the workers should be made to work long hours without overtime pay, one of the biggest sticking points. He had no respect for the working man. In the end...he was FIRED.

 

[Torvy]

"Archie McCardell, a notoriously anti-union boss, who took over as CEO in 1978....."

Look how quickly Archie destroyed the company by attacking the very work force that made the products. He felt the workers should be made to work long hours without overtime pay, one of the biggest sticking points. He had no respect for the working man. In the end...he was FIRED.

The FSLA of 1938 required employers to pay hourly workers time and a half for hours worked in excess of 40 per week.

He wanted to require OT, but could not legally not pay "overtime pay". That's what mandatory OT is you have to work extra, but you still get paid time and a half.. unless your in management. Managers typically work 60+ a week and don't get OT pay.

No respect? The union bosses were just butt hurt because they were used to people cowtowing to their demands and petty BS like worrying about what someone wore to negotiations. Was he a great boss, heck no, but the strike was about the UAW, not him.

 

[ruffdog]

"McCardell was appointed president and chief operating officer of International Harvester on August 3, 1977.[17] He received a then-exorbitant salary of $460,000 (making him one of the highest-paid CEOs in the country),[2] a $1.5 million signing bonus and a $1.8 million loan at 6 percent interest.[18][19] He was named chief executive officer in January 1978."

"Discussing his remuneration, he said he thought, in retrospect, that he was "underpaid"

(wiki)

 

[deezler]

Welp, the strike continues and the S&!t has started to roll downhill. Mandatory one-week furloughs at my employer (tier 1/2 supplier) due to our lost revenue so far.

UAW needs to climb down off the high horse and get closer to a deal. ASAP.

 

[Blue Mule]

Not to mention all the small businesses that are taking a beating now because they can't get parts from their suppliers. Unions are evil.

 

[lilranch2001]

I think the UAW may find that this sammich may leave chitty taste in their mouth after this strike season